Churches To Loose Tax Free Status?

[the dangling wrangler]

Can anybody confirm this?

The congress has passed a bill That will be ratified upon the election of Obama to presidency!!!
ALL Non-profit entities will be required to turn over thier accounting and bookkeeping files to the Internal Revenue Service as soon as January 1, 2009
The Obama council has stated that this is the only way to balance the budget in the first 100 days of office, And congress has agreed!

[coolwhip]

B.O. aside, I think this is an excellent idea!

[the dangling wrangler]

B.O. aside, I think this is an excellent idea!

Yes, it is. It should have happened a long time ago.

[JRINJAX]

If BO is doing it, it will be a very "selective" process where Acorn is given a "pass" and Chritian Churches will be penalized.

[wolfstrike]

that's what i love about country going backwards, its good entertainment before the guns come out.


1) the government can not recognize the establishment religion,and therefor legally can not tax it, and sure as FCK has no say in it.

2) the want to penalize the only form of charity that does anything, the churches.
(the churches showed up to the victims of Katrina when the government was nowhere to be seen)

3) they want to tax the churches out of pure spite for Christianity

4) they want to tax Christianity while Hollywood film making is increasingly becoming more tax free

[JRINJAX]

that's what i love about country going backwards, its good entertainment before the guns come out.


1) the government can not recognize the establishment religion,and therefor legally can not tax it, and sure as FCK has no say in it.

2) the want to penalize the only form of charity that does anything, the churches.
(the churches showed up to the victims of Katrina when the government was nowhere to be seen)

3) they want to tax the churches out of pure spite for Christianity

4) they want to tax Christianity while Hollywood film making is increasingly becoming more tax free

I am afraid that a Conservative like you living in California will eventually end up "next" to Jimmy Hoffa. I am always telling a good friend [who is a Conservative that lives in Napa] "Its time to get out".
Be careful out there....

[wolfstrike]

i tried to move to Nevada but that was a whole other can of worms.


..and i found it more heartbreaking to watch the people of Nevada lose their freedoms as Clark County's big money switches the state over to socialism, then it was to live in California's socialist state.

i had already lived through a take-over in California

[hvacker]

Just more fear tactics.
Churches have been protected as long as we've been a country.
The way to loose a tax non-profit status is to mix religion and politics. The deal was stay out of politics and the government won't tax you.
It was very important to Jefferson to keep a pure vision of the idea of our country. With churches involved the Spanish Inquisition would still be going on.
It seems many out there ( self proclamed men of God ) don't know when to shut up. They deserve to loose it.
Keep in mind, only Congress can write the laws not the President. Fear mongering is just a last ditch effort for votes.

We could also turn this argument around and immagine Government involved in what Churches could do.

[Pneuma]

that's what i love about country going backwards, its good entertainment before the guns come out.


1) the government can not recognize the establishment religion,and therefor legally can not tax it, and sure as FCK has no say in it.

How can the government grant a church tax exempt status without recognizing it. Doesn't the church have to obtain a tax exempt number? The government cannot establish a religion it absolutley does recognize them.

I think the whole tax exempt thing in many cases is just a tax loophole for a lot of unscruplulous people and unfortunately churches and charities may have to go through a lot of accounting stuff because of it. In this case Churches are victims but not of the government, they are victims of people who are scamming the system.

[bootlen]

Go ahead. Tax 'em. THEN you WILL hear politics from the pulpit.

THAT should shut up a lot of libs.

[RoBoTeq]

I've never understood how organizations that are allowed to own assets are not required to pay taxes. I say allow religous organizations a percentage of their annual income as tax exempt as long as they spend that amount within the next year. Otherwise; ever dime not put toward charitible activities should be taxed.

[The Doctor]

Just more fear tactics.
Churches have been protected as long as we've been a country.
The way to loose a tax non-profit status is to mix religion and politics. The deal was stay out of politics and the government won't tax you.
It was very important to Jefferson to keep a pure vision of the idea of our country. With churches involved the Spanish Inquisition would still be going on.

Talk about fear tactics. Have you ever thought why hospitals and missions across our nation by and large have Christian names? Is it because of an inquisition?

It seems many out there ( self proclamed men of God ) don't know when to shut up. They deserve to loose it.
Keep in mind, only Congress can write the laws not the President. Fear mongering is just a last ditch effort for votes.

We could also turn this argument around and immagine Government involved in what Churches could do.

[JRINJAX]

My feelings are that a Church should not be taxed on anything that is essential to it's ministry, whether or not it supports INTERNAL political discussion. This does not include any financial support of politicians or advocacy groups. If they want lawyers and lobbyists, let them pay taxes.

They should not own anything tax-free that is outside the direct sphere of necessity for their ministry.

I still remember when the worlds largest denomination owned local filling stations and other commercial real estate tax free.

They/their tenants were competing against owner-operators that had to pay taxes. The still own undeveloped waterfront real-estate here in Jax.

I don't think profit making business/organizations such as Planned Parenthood should use a religious type tax exemption such as they do. Ending the lives of unborn Children is no more a charitable service than operating a slaughterhouse [actually more like a concentration camp].