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    Quote Originally Posted by juanmatus View Post
    The OP referred to Muslim extremists and not Muslims en' masse.

    I could list more examples of Christian radical extremist terrorists to indicate that terrorists vary in their 'faith" and that, in no way, exhibits the real message of the faith they proclaim to abide by..................


    For instance,
    1-Anti-abortion terrorists
    2-Aryan Nation
    3-Klu-Klux-Klan
    4-Christian Patriots
    5-Army of God
    6-Nagaland Rebels
    7-National Liberation Front of Tripura
    8-IRA
    9-Sons of Freedom in Canada
    10-Guardians of the Cedars
    11-God's Army in Burma
    12-White Eagles
    13-Tsar Lazar Guard
    14-Lambs of Christ
    15-Russian National Unity

    The list goes on and on.

    Some historical cases of Christian terrorism include.........

    1 Albigensian Crusade, 1208
    2 St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, 1572
    3 Gunpowder Plot, 1605
    4 Cromwellian conquest of Ireland, 1649-53
    5 Southern United States, 1865-1910
    6 Iron Guard and Lăncieri, 1927-1945
    7 Rexists, 1940-1945
    8 Paris theatre attack, 1988
    9 Concerned Christians, 1999
    10 Radical Christian Activists, 2007

    If one looks through a chronology of terrorism from ancient times to present day, Radical Christian activists and terrorists are more abundant and prevalent than Muslims by far.

    In summary, the point is that all religions contain extremists and terrorists who proclaim to kill in the name of their "God".
    Does that describe the true faith of those who live in and promote peace?
    NO, it does not.

    Judge not, lest ye' be judged.
    Who shall throw the first stone at her?
    Thank you very much for the unnecessary history lesson. Most of us are quite aware that so called Christian organizations committed very un-Christ like actions over the century's. We also admit that these actions were wrong minded and have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    Muslims on the other hand are committing atrocities based on their Islamic teachings directly.
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  2. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by the dangling wrangler View Post
    Be that as it may. We're talking about Muslims.

    I don't care. The op asked for opinions and I'm not obliged to give one that is liked or disliked.
    I view the op as trying to lump all Muslims into a terrorist group and I'm not buying that kind of garbage.
    Religious intolerance has not worked any better for Christians than it has for Muslims.

  3. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post

    Muslims on the other hand are committing atrocities based on their Islamic teachings directly.
    And supposed Christians are not doing the very same thing?
    You are very wrong. Muslim extremists are committing atrocities. Not Muslims.

    Do you think Christian extremists who blow up abortion clinics are not acting directly from their interpretation of the teachings from Christian doctrine?

    Please. You must try not to give examples that can so easily be refuted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juanmatus View Post
    I don't care. The op asked for opinions and I'm not obliged to give one that is liked or disliked.
    I view the op as trying to lump all Muslims into a terrorist group and I'm not buying that kind of garbage.
    Religious intolerance has not worked any better for Christians than it has for Muslims.
    By the nature of the teachings of the Qur'an, all Muslims are prone to be called upon to commit acts of violence against all who are not Muslim.

    Religious intolerance for Christians is a failure to do as we are taught by Jesus Christ. When so called Christians commit acts of violence in the alleged name of Jesus, they are actually commiting sins against Jesus Christ and His teachings. When Muslims commit acts of violence against non-Muslims, they are supported by the teachings of their holy guide book, the Qur'an.

    If you don't see the difference, you need to open your eyes a little more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juanmatus View Post
    And supposed Christians are not doing the very same thing?
    You are very wrong. Muslim extremists are committing atrocities. Not Muslims.

    Do you think Christian extremists who blow up abortion clinics are not acting directly from their interpretation of the teachings from Christian doctrine?

    Please. You must try not to give examples that can so easily be refuted.
    Christians commiting atrocities do so as human beings on their own thought process being infected by Satan. There are no commands from Christ to do violence to others under any circumstances. Just the opposite it True.

    No, I am not wrong about Muslims, you are. As it is, only Muslims commiting acts of violence against others are being considered extremists, but all Muslims are potential terrorists by the nature of the teachings of the Qur'an.

    So called Christians who commit terrorism are wrongly "interpretting" and completely bastardizing passages of the Bible in order to justify the evil that they do. Muslims do not need to interpret the commands of the Qur'an, they are quite clear.
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    You cannot justify acts of terrorists by explaining away the diffferences in the doctrine between any religion.
    An act of terrorism in the name of any God or religious theology is NOT the will of God. It is simply a deviation.
    That's as simple as it gets and if you can't see that, I feel sorry for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juanmatus View Post
    I don't care. The op asked for opinions and I'm not obliged to give one that is liked or disliked.
    I view the op as trying to lump all Muslims into a terrorist group and I'm not buying that kind of garbage.
    Religious intolerance has not worked any better for Christians than it has for Muslims.
    I can't recall, any of the groups you've mentioned, having a candidate, running for the job of, President Of The United States Of America. Obama is, and has some questionable "friends"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Christians commiting atrocities do so as human beings on their own thought process being infected by Satan. There are no commands from Christ to do violence to others under any circumstances. Just the opposite it True.
    The are Christian biblical commands that condone the same things you assert are only coming from Quran. It's a double standard that neatly washes the hand of Christians with an apology while condemning another religion with false judgements. Satan works against all men...not just Christians.

    No, I am not wrong about Muslims, you are. As it is, only Muslims commiting acts of violence against others are being considered extremists, but all Muslims are potential terrorists by the nature of the teachings of the Qur'an.
    As noted previously, I can show Christian biblical literature that is just as extreme in nature as is Quran. Show me an example of how Quran promotes hatred, intolerance, rape and murder and I'll show you Christain text of the same type.

    So called Christians who commit terrorism are wrongly "interpretting" and completely bastardizing passages of the Bible in order to justify the evil that they do. Muslims do not need to interpret the commands of the Qur'an, they are quite clear.
    The Quran must be interpreted in the same fashion as your Christian bible is interpreted. As a matter of fact, Muslims are no different from Christians in their varying interpretation of their religious texts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dangling wrangler View Post
    I can't recall, any of the groups you've mentioned, having a candidate, running for the job of, President Of The United States Of America. Obama is, and has some questionable "friends"
    Without resorting to defending the man's self acknowledged Christian faith to close minded conservatives who consume mythology as if it were a delicacy, the President of the United States is responsible for defending the constitution and the people of this country and not certain religious idealogies and stereotypes.

    Both politicians and their running mates in this election have had questionable friends and dealings in their past.
    To accentuate one without examining the other suggests the need for further self review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juanmatus View Post
    You cannot justify acts of terrorists by explaining away the diffferences in the doctrine between any religion.
    An act of terrorism in the name of any God or religious theology is NOT the will of God. It is simply a deviation.
    That's as simple as it gets and if you can't see that, I feel sorry for you.
    Sorry, but these are just a few of the over 100 commands for Muslims to commit violence on non-Muslims from the Qur'an;

    Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the overall context of these verses is defensive war, however, there are two worrisome pieces to this passage. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution." The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah."

    Sura (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

    Sura (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
    You will not find anything from Jesus Christ promoting violence toward others. Even in the Hebrew Testament (Christian Old Testament), the stories of violence are specifically to a particular situation and are stories of what has been done, not commands of what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juanmatus View Post
    The are Christian biblical commands that condone the same things you assert are only coming from Quran. It's a double standard that neatly washes the hand of Christians with an apology while condemning another religion with false judgements. Satan works against all men...not just Christians.


    As noted previously, I can show Christian biblical literature that is just as extreme in nature as is Quran. Show me an example of how Quran promotes hatred, intolerance, rape and murder and I'll show you Christain text of the same type.


    The Quran must be interpreted in the same fashion as your Christian bible is interpreted. As a matter of fact, Muslims are no different from Christians in their varying interpretation of their religious texts.
    You are showing that you have no clue as to what you are talking about. Not one thing you are claiming is true. If it were, you would have posted some sort of support for your untrue claims.

    You are just one of many anti-Christian, Islamic apologists to frequent this site and you are spewing out the same lies and propoganda that the other Internet Infidels coming here spew out. Why do you people continue to attempt to spread such lies on a site with so many of us who are not as stupid as your average followers are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by juanmatus View Post
    Without resorting to defending the man's self acknowledged Christian faith to close minded conservatives who consume mythology as if it were a delicacy, the President of the United States is responsible for defending the constitution and the people of this country and not certain religious idealogies and stereotypes.

    Both politicians and their running mates in this election have had questionable friends and dealings in their past.
    To accentuate one without examining the other suggests the need for further self review.
    Obama was born a Muslim and joined a Black radical, anti-American, anti-White organization. Just what about that makes Obama a Christian?

    I can claim to be a Buddhist, but if I don't act like a Buddhist, is everyone just supposed to take my word for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by juanmatus View Post
    and the people of this country
    The people of this country. Why can't Obama produce a birth certificate then? Could it be, he wasn't born in this country?

    http://obamacrimes.com/
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