Trane vs. American Standard
I am in the market to replace my central air and gas furnace. I am a value shopper (will not buy bottom of the line or builder's grade and not sure that I see the benefit to the very top of the line). With that said, I am looking for educated opinions.
I believe that the Trane brand is manufactured by the American Standard corporation.
Are there differences (price, quality, other) between Trane and American Standard equipment with the same AFUE and SEER ratings?
What other brands (Carrier, Rheem, Lennox?) should I be considering?
Must equipment be matched by brand? Or can thermostats, furnaces, heat pump or central air, coils, and air cleaners be mixed to get the "best" system for reasonable price?
Hopefully I did not ask for too much in one post...........
Trane And American Standard
Trane used to be part of American Standard. Trane was sold off as a separate company and was recently purchased by Ingersol Rand. American Standard is a brand made by Trane. Equipment is basically the same except for a few cosmetics. Trane sometimes has longer warranty on certain models. Trane makes American Standard brand so they can sell to other dealers that do not sell Trane. It allows them to gain market share. Both Trane and American Standard are very good equipment lines.
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What has to be matched is the indoor coil to the outdoor unit. Beyond that, matching isn't required. If you want to get a specific SEER on higher end equipment, you do then need that brand's matching variable speed furnace. Or if you want all controlled together by a system like Carrier's Infinity or Bryant's evolution.
We sold many a system in the 90s with 1 brand of A/C & coil and another furnace. Each had their benefits and we felt we gave the customer a nice setup. This was back in the 10 SEER days too.
Yes, another American company leaves us. Ingersoll Rand is a Bermuda company.
Time for a tour of their main offices
Originally Posted by BaldLoonie
If it were my house, I'd definitely take the AS over the Trane. And if you're looking into something like Lennox, I'd say you would be well-advised to consider Armstrong or Ducane.
Why? They're basically the same units, only cheaper. The parts are more "standard" and easy to replace. And in my opinion, more bells & whistles = more things that can go wrong.
Thanks for the input!
Thanks for the input!
No mention of Carrier\Bryant. Thoughts out there or is AS or another secondary brand the way to go?
Trane's XLi matched systems have a 10-year parts warranty on ALL parts, which is better than what American Standard provides.
I beg to differ. Armstrong and Ducane are not anything like a Lennox. They are manufactured seperatly from Lennox. They are all owned by Lennox International but that is as far as it goes.
Originally Posted by ECIndHVAC
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This is my personal opinion on the subject.
I work on commercial equipment all day and I do some residential installs for friends.
I have installed American Standard, Bryant, Coleman, Goodman, ICP, Payne, Rheem, Trane, York and probably a few others that I cannot remember.
Most of these units will use most of the same mechanical parts. Where you will see the biggest differences in these units is in the electronics (controls) and in the ease of service.
My preference goes towards the Rheem in servicing since the compressor is not sitting under the condenser fan lending itself to easier servicing.
On the American Standard the reversing valve and other items are located between the condenser and the exterior housing with a removable access panel. Once again this unit will be easier to service. One negative on the American Standard units is that if you plan to mount them on wall brackets they are a PITA to install due to the plastic base used which is very uneven.
I personally prefer the Trane XLi series line-up.
I like the rainshield on the XLi systems. And the 10 year warranty is nice to have as well.
But I guess one would venture to say I've been Tranewashed. I worked for a Trane dealer for about 2 years. I could fix a unit hanging upside down with a blindfold and only 1 arm. I knew them things inside and out. But thats what you get from seeing them day in and day out.
Lennox are a whole nother story. I am not a fan of Lennox. For several reasons.
I have since left the residential field. I work in Commercial and Refrigeration now. See a lot of Carrier and Lennox RTU. I prefer the Lennox RTU over the Carrier. For reasons which I cannot really explain.
Anyhow, thats my 2 cents on it. Get multiple quotes and stop looking for the good deal. Remember, if its too good to be true, then it probably is.
And ponder this.......a low grade system installed properly will out perform a high efficiency system installed improperly. So keep that in mind when you are discussing and choosing your contractor and new system. Don't go with the cheapest price. That is a normal indication of the cheapest labor.
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If you don't know, then don't do. If you don't know and still do, then be prepared to pay someone else a lot to undo what you did and then do it right.
If you do know, then do. But do it right. Otherwise, you may not be doing it long.
It doesn't matter if its the primary, or the secondary brand.
Originally Posted by delquester
If the contractor won't come back to address any issues you have.
Its a POS.
Definition of a conversation piece.
An HVAC system that doesn't heat or cool properly.
An HVAC system that the contractor won't look at on the weekend.
Remember. A salesmen may promise that a brand X system can deliver the moon.
But its what the installers can deliver that counts.
Originally Posted by RyanHughes
my American Standard came with 10 year parts warranty
it's an 18 seer Heritage!
My American Standard 12.0 Heritage has 10 year warranty and it's 4 years old .
I would like to recommend Carrier Infinity or Maybe new Carrier 15.0 Seer with Variable Drive and Edge Thermostat.
I have FRANKENSTEIN unit myself.
Lennox-Gas Furnace 80MGF
American Standard-12.0 S.E.E.R. Condenser ~3.5 ton
But, If I want 72* on a 100* day it brings it down fast and comfort is great.
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