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    Oil is safer if you have a leak in the line in the basement.

    Of course. If you have a substantial oil leak in your basement. It could be 6 or more months before the EPA will let you move back into your home.(it was 18 months for a family about 40 miles from me)

    With gas. The leak is fixed. And you get to sleep in your bed that night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larobj63 View Post
    Well, the national oil heat council says its so - so it must true.
    LOL...

    They would never be bias in there opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larobj63 View Post
    Well, the national oil heat council says its so - so it must true.
    It is true...I am just using them as a source.


    Your problem is comparing "the same casting" when comparing the fuels. A mod/con gas boiler will usually employ a heat exchanger that is much different than a oil-fired casting. The argument holds no water.
    It holds water just fine in as much as casting material being the same
    Your right....I did say same as a cover all....but I assumed that since we (presumibly) are HVAC technicians, that would be a given.
    Guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Oil is safer if you have a leak in the line in the basement.

    Of course. If you have a substantial oil leak in your basement. It could be 6 or more months before the EPA will let you move back into your home.(it was 18 months for a family about 40 miles from me)

    With gas. The leak is fixed. And you get to sleep in your bed that night.

    Worst case scenario with oil is stated above.
    Worst case with Gas....you wont be around to know what happened!

    Actually, Natural is the least dangerous and I wouldn't have a problem with it being used in a home but LP....no way

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    Quote Originally Posted by LakeWhitney View Post
    No one I think has commented on the safety aspect. I would guess that oil is safer, against both explosions and leaking fumes. Can anyone establish the relative safety of the two with evidence? (& his choice is propane, not gas, right?)
    In order from worst to best....
    LP
    Wood/Coal
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    Oil

    In truth, LP is less likely to blow in comparison to the negatives with wood (fires) but the worst case scenario of LP exceeds that of wood/coal

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Oil is safer if you have a leak in the line in the basement.

    Of course. If you have a substantial oil leak in your basement. It could be 6 or more months before the EPA will let you move back into your home.(it was 18 months for a family about 40 miles from me)

    With gas. The leak is fixed. And you get to sleep in your bed that night.
    A proper tank install resolves this potential.
    Unfortunately....I have never seen a proper installation that is geared toward recovery other than my own.
    Catch basins and alarms may increase the cost of a job by 40 - 60% but at least there is never a chance of the above situation occurring.
    IMO...it should be required rather than opted for.

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    It should be required.
    But even if they required it on new installs tomorrow. It wouldn't help the ones already in.

    Seen many pump seals leak over the years.
    And some basements are not used for more then storage. So they don't always get caught before a fair amount of oil soaks into the ground or spread across a section of the concrete.

    I have oil heat. Might be setting a HP on it this fall.

    I'd rather have gas then oil.
    With oil, you pay for what you are going to use.
    With gas, you pay for what you did use.

    So, for oil heat. I have to pay a thousand bucks now. For the oil I will use this winter.
    With gas, I'd get monthly bills only for what I used that month.

    Currently, I can heat my place cheaper with electric resistance heat, then with oil heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larobj63 View Post
    I am not a firm believer in that system - or the info they present on their literature.... Expensive though, and I wouldn't expect the savings they promise...
    I hope to hear that they have fixed the heat manager boards!
    Those things have been a pain in the rear and expensive!!
    There is also the fact that you have to deal with a company that is an authorized dealer for system 2000

    The companies in this area who have dealt with them have all rotated out of thier dealerships due to the fact that the factory has been lack luster in service and the product has been substandard in terms of longevity.

    IMO....Junk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    It should be required.
    But even if they required it on new installs tomorrow. It wouldn't help the ones already in.

    Seen many pump seals leak over the years.
    And some basements are not used for more then storage. So they don't always get caught before a fair amount of oil soaks into the ground or spread across a section of the concrete.

    I have oil heat. Might be setting a HP on it this fall.

    I'd rather have gas then oil.
    With oil, you pay for what you are going to use.
    With gas, you pay for what you did use.

    So, for oil heat. I have to pay a thousand bucks now. For the oil I will use this winter.
    With gas, I'd get monthly bills only for what I used that month.

    Currently, I can heat my place cheaper with electric resistance heat, then with oil heat.

    All excellent points
    However...I don't worry about the oil purchase forward because I prepay the delivery during the summer months and call the last delivery for what I will use coming out of the spring.

    But that's me.

    A commercial emergency stop device can be installed which senses Vacuum leaks and stops oil flow during such an event.
    Cost about $40....can recall the make right off the top of my head but it's required in two line commercial here.
    Again....something that I also believe should be required.

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    I talking about resi units, with oil tanks in the basement. That means the seal can leak, during the off cycle.

    Buget plans are nice. But locks you into that company. So if they go up in price, your stuck. You can't shop for best price.

    And in this area, we do have a choice between 2 gas suppliers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bt1 View Post
    It is true...I am just using them as a source.




    It holds water just fine in as much as casting material being the same
    Your right....I did say same as a cover all....but I assumed that since we (presumibly) are HVAC technicians, that would be a given.
    Guess not.
    Huh?

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