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    Trying to decide between Payne/Goodman. Here is what I need to know.

    Both are 5 Ton, single stage, R410A. This install is using my current duct, A-coil will be installed in the plenum above the Current Lennox G21 Pulse, which will act as the heat strip. The quotes, parts, and labor warranty are the same for all intents and purposed. Both installers are equally qualified. Pretty sure both have Copeland scroll compressors. I am primarily concerned with the heating capibility. Cooling is just gravy, but I'm sure we'll enjoy it. Here is my decision:


    Installer A;
    Payne (PH3A) is rated 13 SEER 7.7 HSPF

    Installer B;
    Goodman (GSZ13) is rated 13 SEER 8.4 HSPF

    I'm thinking the Goodman because of the higher HSPF. The guy that is selling Payne says the Goodman will only equal 7.7 HSPF because of the way it is installed into the plenum above the lennox pulse. He says if it was not a split system, I might get 8.4 HSPF, but as it stands, I won't.

    Does he speak the truth? Would this mean his Payne will only equal 7.0 HSPF with a plenum install? Just trying to make the best decision.

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    I would pick neither. They are as basic as it comes and usaully reflect the company installing them. If you don't care about quality go with cheapest bidder if not get 1 more quote.
    Do it right the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21degrees View Post
    I would pick neither. They are as basic as it comes and usaully reflect the company installing them. If you don't care about quality go with cheapest bidder if not get 1 more quote.
    Beat me to it. Get the 3rd quote.
    "It's always controls"

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    All equipment is rated after being tested various ways but the rating is usually on a matched system, this means having the correct airflow across the indoor coil. While the pulse furnace will provide enough airflow for the system to work it may not be right for the max SEER and HSPF. The location of the coil having an effect depends on your house and ductwork so thats hard to say. For the best ratings and savings when you are using gas consider a matched furnace with the system

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    Quote Originally Posted by skwsproul View Post
    Beat me to it. Get the 3rd quote.

    GOOD ADVICE !!!

    Sometimes you can spend just a little more and get a whole lot more.
    I'm lost, I've gone to look for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21degrees View Post
    I would pick neither. They are as basic as it comes and usaully reflect the company installing them. If you don't care about quality go with cheapest bidder if not get 1 more quote.
    Thats some b.s. ...21

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    Post the exact model numbers of the condenser and matching indoor coil.

    Goodman GSZ13060 heat pump matched with CAPF4860 coil is ARI# 1365551:
    57,000 btu cooling, 11.1 EER, 13 SEER, 58,000 btu heating at 47F, 8.4 HSPF.

    www.ARIDirectory.org.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary_g View Post
    Post the exact model numbers of the condenser and matching indoor coil.

    Goodman GSZ13060 heat pump matched with CAPF4860 coil is ARI# 1365551:
    57,000 btu cooling, 11.1 EER, 13 SEER, 58,000 btu heating at 47F, 8.4 HSPF.

    www.ARIDirectory.org.

    Good luck.
    All I can tell you is you are right on the Goodman GSZ13060. I have no idea on the coil. All he said is that they will order the enclosed coil.

    All I have on the payne is the model # as I posted above.

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    The Payne guy is just trying to make the sale.

    Nothing wrong with a Goodman heat pump.
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    Out of the 2 units you mentioned I would go with the Goodman due to the higher HSPF.

    That being said you can sometimes do much better for a little more money.

    The least you can do no matter what system is being installed is not to skimp on things such as high and low pressure safeties and a good thermostat.

    My preffered line of T-stats is the Honeywell Visionpro 8000.

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    No Just Honesty

    Quote Originally Posted by m-cooling View Post
    Thats some b.s. ...21

    Why sell the botton basic Shet, when for a couple more dollars get some quality. You must be payne/goodman dealer because you can not get anyone else to sell you there products. Don't worry oneday you will get there
    Do it right the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21degrees View Post
    Why sell the botton basic Shet, when for a couple more dollars get some quality. You must be payne/goodman dealer because you can not get anyone else to sell you there products. Don't worry oneday you will get there
    That's quite a claim,one day???lol
    Last edited by dash; 09-01-2008 at 09:17 AM.

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    I'm Sorry

    But I just get beat up too much from payne and goodman fly by nighters that are happy making wages and when problems arrise they can't seem to find them to fix problems, so they phone our company once in awhile and waiste our time. I would fix them but only 1 supply house and they are on the other side of city and if consumer had paid just alittle more this would all be covered and by 24/7 service. With reputable Dealer.
    Do it right the first time.

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