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Homeowners, Inspect your HVAC install
Hi,
I'm writing this to hopefully help other homeowners from poor HVAC contractors.
I hired a small HVAC Co. to install 2 systems. He finished the work but I have been consitently uncovering workmanship problems with the duct work. Here's my list.
System 1 The addition
1)Last December the contractor got the heat working so I could have the plaster guys come in. The HVAC contractor went on vaca and planned to finish when he got back (5 days later). I had to go into the attic for something and realized that the return was wide open...sucking cold air from the attic!
2)About several months after he was "finished" with one of the systems, I went into the attic and felt hot air hitting my face. Turns out one of the take offs from the plenum had a 4" gap in it...spewing hot air into the attic. He fixed it.
System 2, Existing structure
3)One of the take offs near the end of the plenum was not fully connected to the plenum. It was deflected off the plenum because of the rafters and the air ended up travelling between the insulation and the outer surface of the plenum. I fixed this since the contractor couldn't help me for at least several weeks.
4)The contractor finished the system in late July of 2007. On days where temps > 90deg, the system spewed a choking oil smell into the home. I had to shut the system down and leave the house. Contractor couldn't address the problem (too busy with other installs). He never came to trouble shoot it and ended up replacing the coil this year (thought it might be defective)! Turns out there was a 1" wide x 12" tall opening between the return plenum and the air handler! Hot attic air was getting sucked into the system, pollen and all! My son has severe allergies and paid for it.
5)The main plenum is about 4" taller than the air handler and as a result, the contractor used Aluminum tape to fill that gap. It's peeling back now so I had to repair it.
6)There was a 1" wide gap between the air handler and the main plenum similar to the one on the return side.
He came over today to fix the problems. He was very agitated and thought my complaints were ridiculous. We had a few choice words and I sent him on his way. I didn't want him to do a quick hack job so I'll have to do it myself. The sad part is that I think he believes he did a great job. I feel the need to warn others. Thoughts anyone?
P.S.
Sorry for the length.
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sorry that you had this bad experience/install.
it is hard to determine who will do a quality install, keeping in mind
that it is the installers who are the low end of the education provided.
most owners attend classes, but not a lot of hvac companies share this
information/education with the workers.
sounds like the ductwork & R/A were the biggest problems.
typical of mid range hvac companies here.
as for low end...we won't even go there!
usually the more expensive hvac companies not only educate themselves,
but encourage nate certification and continuing education for their workers.
cost of this higher learning is reflected in the price. (not to say that the
most expensive co is the best!)
hope your son's health has improved and its good to know that
you were willing to go the distance to find and seal these areas.
best of luck to you.
The cure of the part should not be attempted without the cure of the whole. ~Plato
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does the guy have a license? insurance? e.p.a. card maybe? probably not. the time to get the answer to these and other exciting questions is before you let him start work. there are a ton of hacks in this world. i don't consider them "in the business". how did you hear about this guy? if you got references, did you check them? what you should be warning others about is if you don't do your home work or you take the lowest bid you could get burned.
"When the people find they can vote themselves money,that will herald the end of the republic" - Benjamin Franklin
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force;like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action"- George Washington
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did you go with the cheapest quote?
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You should not of had the furnace used as a construction heater for the plasterers.
Return not connected could be a good deal in this case.
As for your other issues, sorry to hear it.
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we see in every area of the country people like this. in TN, all you have to have is a business license and epa if you handle refrigerant. therefore, my company goes behind a lot of people that have done this. we have a common mistrust because of these guys. it is us, the responsible tech, to assure homeowners that we all aren't like this.
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What action did you take locally? Coming here is all well and good but if you just came here to vent and didn't take proper and appropriate action, you wasted your time. Now that you think you have corrected the problems, contact a competent contractor and have them look over your system. Sorry about your misfortune buy this isn't the forum for complaining about HVAC contractors. Go to your HVAC licensing agency, your building code department and the BBB for resolution. Don't just *****, take proper action. Just my 2cents worth.
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Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. No more calls please. You've about summed this comedy of errors up in a nut shell.Originally Posted by troyorr
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Dash
You are correct, but then you are wrong. Not everybody has your knowledge of HVAC. A newbie who has just found this site may be telling the pro's his problem, his repair's, and just looking for approval or advice.
You have to belong to this forum for awhile to catch the sarcasim from some and know which way to take it . LOL
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OK Point taken.
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Oh goody, another HVAC contractor bashing thread.
Yep, this is about as informative as any of the other disgruntled HO threads.
Might need to change the name of the site to HVAC-B!tch
Training is important!
Practical Training is a must!
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Originally Posted by the dangling wrangler
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. No more calls please. You've about summed this comedy of errors up in a nut shell.
Dash
You are correct, but then you are wrong. Not everybody has your knowledge of HVAC. A newbie who has just found this site may be telling the pro's his problem, his repair's, and just looking for approval or advice.
You have to belong to this forum for awhile to catch the sarcasim from some and know which way to take it . LOL
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Originally Posted by the dangling wrangler
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. No more calls please. You've about summed this comedy of errors up in a nut shell.
Dash
You are correct, but then you are wrong. Not everybody has your knowledge of HVAC. A newbie who has just found this site may be telling the pro's his problem, his repair's, and just looking for approval or advice.
You have to belong to this forum for awhile to catch the sarcasim from some and know which way to take it . LOL
Dash,how did I get involved here???
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Dash, your my hero..........I made a mistake?)))
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Might need to change the name of the site to HVAC-B!tch[/QUOTE]
I just "spilt" beer all over my monitor and keyboard after reading this......LOL
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Well, I didn't know what to make of it either.Quoted me, but used your name. I still don't get it.
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Just my 2 cents....but i've been around of all aspects of this business and behind (almost) every poor install is a cheap bast@#d that got exactly what they paid for.
If you pay crap you get crap.
it shouldn't matter who actually does the install or design, it goes across the board.
Maybe when we are done connecting the dots in this field we should show how the presidency is much the same.
I would pay 100 mill a year for a good president, but I've never been offered a good candidate.
All we have is translucent Mcain and Barrack Hussien OMG.
I beleive in hope and change. If the change doesn't work, we can hope that change has the hope to change. we hope.
That kind of platform will shake the roots of your beliefs.
"Reality" is the only word in the english language that should alway be used in quotes.
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OK, English this time. I quoted you dangling wrangler, and by MISTAKE, used "dash" as the quoted name instead of you.
Geesh. Are you guy's proceedure bound in your job? If your a senior tech, you know what I mean by that. If your a nub, that means you need to read it in black and white before you understand things or you need information hand fed to you..........LOL
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Another case of BOHICA ! The clue in this one is in the first line of the post .! my advice is simple , contact the state licensing board and report the contractor for failing to maintain mechanical integrity , or take the BOHICA and move on ( with a slight limp ! )
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