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put my 1st furnace coil condenser in the other day. one thing i can say is that they're way easier on the back.
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Goodman was originally marketed under the namebrand Janitrol . Back then we referred to them a Jani-junks, and they really were poor quality systems. They have came a long way since then and as others have said, are quality units when installed and maintained properly.
Unfortunately for Goodman, the stigma still follows them (in my area at least) and while I service them regularly, I don't install them because of how they are percieved by the general public.
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Oh really. What brand do you prefer. And does that brand come with a LIFETIME COMPRESSOR & LIFETIME HEAT EXCHANGER WARRANTY!Originally Posted by coolwhip
Goodman blows, I dont care what the others say!
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i've taken the factory tour in houston and i saw the feedback cards posted on a bulletin board on the factory floor. that impressed me. they show an interest in what the installers and end users say. evn the old junkitrol are still pluggin away,(those that were installed right).
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They have a bad rep because they earned it.
Now they are digging themselves out of a hole. They are not the company they used to be.
Don't loose any sleep over putting in an Amana system. I installed an Amana Distinctions in my neighbor's house three weeks ago. It's a nice quiet system with a nice warranty. As long as you didn't go with a low ball fly by night company there is a good chance of long trouble free service. Of course you will want to have your equipment served yearly. Once in the fall and once in the spring.
I put in a Lennox system in my house a couple months ago. It's a nice quiet system bought from a quality industry inavator. The warranty is not as nice, but I don't for see any need to use it.
The difference between my choosing Lennox over Amana Distinctions came down to how I precieve Lennox and Goodman. It was a personal choice. A choice based on my field experiences. I sell both brands.
The difference between my neighbor choosing Amana Distinctions was purely economical and that I live next door.
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I think you may have opened another can of worms, mallard. This thread has the name "Goodman" in it.
I don't see a huge difference between Goodman/Amana products and other brands. Of course Trane has the spine-fin coil, which people either love or hate. Parts wise, they are all pretty similar. Some have more features than others. Amana is not a bad product in my opinion. Any brand can break. Installation is key. I'm sure I've pretty much repeated what everyone else has already said, but so be it.
I can confirm that Goodman does indeed blow.
My GSH14036 heat pump blows cold air in the summer, and heated air in the winter.
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It's pointless to try and reason with him....bashers cannot be reasoned with
I need a new signature.....
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I am no HVAC pro, but can I interject...hehe.
When it comes to forums or "feedback" of any product produced in the millions,
it's probably going to be hard to get a true concensus of any real accuracy.
Let's say 10,000 pencil sharpners are sold. You go to a site where there just
may happen to be 5 unhappy buyers and 2 happy buyers.
I mean, while maybe helpful, it's just not a realistic true representation of that products quality.
I suppose that's a given.
Just my nickels worth. (Strange fact - Nickels are made mostly of copper and pennies are made mostly of nickel).
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Just some facts:
Compressor warranty:
Lifetime warranty applies to original owner and spouse for as long as they own the house.
The unit is installed in an owner-occupied, single family residence
Unit is installed with new matched coil / air handler
And properly registered with Goodman within 60 days after the original installation.
Warranties do not apply to labor, freight, or any other cost associated with the service, repair or operation of the unit.
This is pretty standard for all manufactures that offer Limited Lifetime Warranties.
Goodman does provide unit replacements for bad compressors that fails during the lifetime period.
So make sure your dealer is following the registration rules.
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Hehe... I didn't mean to cause such an uproar. I was genuinely curious. It has turned out to be an informative thread for me.I think you may have opened another can of worms, mallard. This thread has the name "Goodman" in it.
I don't see a huge difference between Goodman/Amana products and other brands. Of course Trane has the spine-fin coil, which people either love or hate. Parts wise, they are all pretty similar. Some have more features than others. Amana is not a bad product in my opinion. Any brand can break. Installation is key. I'm sure I've pretty much repeated what everyone else has already said, but so be it.
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I see a lot of broken down Goodmans, but there are more of them out there than any other brand around here, as far as I can tell.
But all brands break down. I've got a customer with a very old Bryant insisting the condenser motor is fine, but it keeps cutting out, with a new cap installed. He just doesn't want to pay $$$ for the new motor. Boss says let him sweat.
Goodman, and any other brand are only as good, or bad, as the install, ductwork, and set-up allow them to be.
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my company is a lennox and goodman dealer, lennox is way more expensive, i still like goodman though, they use same name brand parts in their units as lennox does, and they are well built, but their OLD units were crap, goodmans new line is alot better and even comes with great warrenty, if you wanna go dimes and nickles i would say u get more bang for u buck with a goodman, my opinion....
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To answer the OP's question, they have gotten a bad rep, partly due to they have the largest share of the market, so statistically speaking, there are more of them out there, with the possibility of failing. Secondly, We all know that any A/C that is not working properly is immediately deemed a P.O.S by the owner. Third, as with all equipment brands, there is a large percentage, that have problems or need repairs, due to improper installation and/or maintenance, Again with the statistics, there are more of them out there in operation. And finally, Usually the type of person that blames failures or repairs on the Manufacturer, Is also the person without proper installation and service knowledge.
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I would compare goodman with Fraser Johnson. The boards are my biggest hate next to the noise and quality of the engineering. Goodman is only good for 1 thing.
[price
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Goodman is bad because.... they're not! Other than American Standard/Trane which make their own compressors with their no good rotolock fittings, everyone else is just an importer of Copeland, Tecumseh, or Bristol (compressors), General Electric, A.O Smith, Emerson, etc (condenser fans), and so on. They (Goodman) still use copper coils which is better than aluminum (yeah I know Trane, it has better heat transfer, more like cheap $ especially with the wire brushes surrounding it). Service valves made primarly by Parker on all Brands. So what is it that makes them bad? Nothing other than as mentioned, the installers that lack knowledge or desire of doing the job right.
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To anyone who actually works in the field on these things and likes them....
Next time you have the chance, completely remove the top of one of the newer style outdoor units, condenser fan wires and all, then reinstall it, you will have a new opinion of Goodman
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To tell ya the truth, 6 months ago I saw only talk about lennox, trane, york,carrier, and american standard.
What's wierd lately is that Googling everything AC now seems to come up Goodman.
"I just bought a Goodman...." blah blah blah. They must be getting popular with the public.
Not making a judgement this way or that...just noticing.
As mentioned earlier...you can easily buy them off the net. Not so with other AC/Furnace units.
Damn...until the last 8 months....mostly Trane and York and Carrier and American Standard,Lennox were talked about here. Now it's all Goodman on all the other forums and "ask the expert" places.
Like I said...just noticing. What a campaign Goodman must be running?
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Well, if it blows, it must suck too. Can't have one without the other.
lol
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This is a good point. I know in the Kansas City area Goodman has three warehouses. (Including Topeka).
1. Are these Goodman owned Distributorships? I think I was told they are, but don't remember for sure.
2. When did Goodman purchase the Amana line? And did they in fact drop the Janitrol lable.
3. Was Goodman bought recently? If so did the new owners make these changes?
4. When did Goodman tighten their supply chain making it more difficult for cash and carry customers?
It seems to me these are just recent (5 years or less) events. These events are positive IMO
The Goodman debate gets a lot of play on this site because of a few hard headed people that are not afraid to express their opinions.
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Actually our distributor, rarely has anything with the goodman badge on it, It is either Amana, or "Distinctions" by amana for the goodman stuff, same model #'s and everything as the goodman label.
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