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    MikeVDS;1938825]Installing new refrigeration systems is easy for people who use common sense.[/B] Legally, you still need your EPA license if you need to add refrigerant. If you have the tools, it's probably going to be easy for you. This will not put anyone out of a job. There are plenty of people who do not want to do it themselves, and who'd be better off doing overtime at their job and paying someone who has experience. Also, if you don't have the tools, it's probably not worth buying the equipment just to do your own home.

    I wish we had more people who did things themselves. Too few people spend the time to learn new things, which is why people kill themselves.
    you sir are an idiot.I've heard different descriptions of hvac work and EASY is'nt one of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by m-cooling View Post
    you sir are an idiot.I've heard different descriptions of hvac work and EASY is'nt one of them
    Maybe where he works.
    They give him all the easy jobs. Go for this, go for that. ROFLMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Maybe where he works.
    They give him all the easy jobs. Go for this, go for that. ROFLMAO
    yea I should'nt have called him names but it was a bonehead comment
    common sense can't help you and reading books can't help you.
    years in the field and doing the same tasks over and over is how you know how to do it.

    common sense can't tell you where to set your oxy regulator.and ace/ regulator

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    I agree with you.

    Thats why I posted the gofer coment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    I agree with you.

    Thats why I posted the gofer coment.
    nothing wrong with being a gofer at all. thats how you get familiar with names of tools and materials.
    gofer or groundman is easy sometimes. I always liked being groundman.
    we call "groundman" the one who makes sure the guys in the air on a lift or whatever have what they need.

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    Nope.

    And sometimes they think it looks easy to install what ever is being installed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m-cooling View Post
    yea I should'nt have called him names but it was a bonehead comment
    common sense can't help you and reading books can't help you.
    years in the field and doing the same tasks over and over is how you know how to do it.

    common sense can't tell you where to set your oxy regulator.and ace/ regulator
    Don't the gauges self destruct 30 seconds after you put it in the truck? The ones I buy always seem to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m-cooling View Post
    you sir are an idiot.I've heard different descriptions of hvac work and EASY is'nt one of them
    I'm sorry, did I insult you saying that something that YOU have difficulty with is actually easy? Since you're name-calling I can only assume that's the reason. All the good techs I know also feel it's easy, some of which ran their own businesses for many years before retiring. To be a good tech, sure it takes many years of experience, but just to be able to do the job, safely and clean, not too bad for most people willing to put in the effort. I think this board is hilarious that most of the "pros" think their knowledge is something secret and they are protecting others by guarding it. When I first started in the industry I met many people (I would like to use another word but I'll refrain) like the people on this board, who guard their "knowledge" tightly. Luckily I met other people who were willing to share knowledge. There are tricks that make things easier, but most of the time a $10 per hour tech who can read a wiring diagram and had a 8 hour class on the refrigeration cycle can fix the problem with enough time. Sure it would take him ten times as long (if not more), and will probably make it harder for the next guy to work on it, but it's not rocket science. The people I know who talk like you guys and try to keep things secret, generally are actually not very good at their jobs, are grumpy old men, and are self concious that they will be replaced by the new guys one they realize things aren't that difficult, and have a better understanding of physics, plcs, modern EMS systems, etc. I don't know that's the case, but the people with similar attitudes that I've run across are like that. Most are actually foreign too and have difficulty communicating with people. Does that sound familiar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVDS View Post
    I'm sorry, did I insult you saying that something that YOU have difficulty with is actually easy?..........

    Wow! did you really come back to this thread a year later to start s**t !?

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    maybe he has issues!

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    Haha. Yep. I don't come here much but I thought I'd reply. No issues. I think people are hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVDS View Post
    I'm sorry, did I insult you saying that something that YOU have difficulty with is actually easy? Since you're name-calling I can only assume that's the reason. All the good techs I know also feel it's easy, some of which ran their own businesses for many years before retiring. To be a good tech, sure it takes many years of experience, but just to be able to do the job, safely and clean, not too bad for most people willing to put in the effort. I think this board is hilarious that most of the "pros" think their knowledge is something secret and they are protecting others by guarding it. When I first started in the industry I met many people (I would like to use another word but I'll refrain) like the people on this board, who guard their "knowledge" tightly. Luckily I met other people who were willing to share knowledge. There are tricks that make things easier, but most of the time a $10 per hour tech who can read a wiring diagram and had a 8 hour class on the refrigeration cycle can fix the problem with enough time. Sure it would take him ten times as long (if not more), and will probably make it harder for the next guy to work on it, but it's not rocket science. The people I know who talk like you guys and try to keep things secret, generally are actually not very good at their jobs, are grumpy old men, and are self concious that they will be replaced by the new guys one they realize things aren't that difficult, and have a better understanding of physics, plcs, modern EMS systems, etc. I don't know that's the case, but the people with similar attitudes that I've run across are like that. Most are actually foreign too and have difficulty communicating with people. Does that sound familiar?
    What you are calling common sense is actually mechanical ability.

    Mechanical ability and the correct training and experience is what makes a good tech.

    You remind me of the guys I've met over the past 15 years or more that say I have common sense and I don't need anything else. They do their thing, then I redo what they have done.
    Beware of advice given by some guy on the Internet.

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    I don't mind the DIY, most of the time they are afraid to mess something up anyways. For the most part, they at least hump the unit to the attic for you and run the wires. If they have the wrong size wires you tell them the right size and they'll do it again. Its kind of a pain going back and forth with them sometimes. They will do most of the brainless work for you; ex: flex runs. The ductwork can be sketchy sometimes if they tackle that, but it's usually one or two peices and flex all over. That can be easily changed. You still have the technical/mechanical to make your money on. They submit and you get paid.

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