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  1. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevelwi View Post
    DIY is often funny. I'm a tech in a car dealer and I fix many many things DIY'ers were thinking they were doing "better", doing it themselves........... even independent repair shops that don't know the details of the cars they're dealing with at times............. making money on other's mistakes is nice.

    I have EPA 609 cert(yes, I know it's not the same as 608), and access to any refrigerant I want.... but I still paid the "pros" to install my system in my home. I did bring home a gauge set to verify low system charge myself, but I don't have the time to learn and make sure that I really, truely knew the differences of the home a/c system to do a proper system replacement.
    I have DIY'd many a vehicle problems. Every once in a while I actually did good. Most times I either repaired/replaced at least one thing that wasn't bad before replacing the right thing, and the other times I just flat out had to give up and let a real pro fix my problem.

    Overall, I have probably payed at least twice as much over the years to have the priveledge to bust my knuckles up and frustrate myself fixing my own vehicles.
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  2. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I love DIYers. I have made more money from people who have made a lot worse of a mess of their systems then was the original fault because they were so frustrated over their screwing up that they just wanted to pay me and get me out of their lives again.
    Amen brother! I had a guy call me for a no-heat (oil) in the middle of Jan (15deg OT) and when I got there he had this huge pile of parts in a box and said he thinks it was one of these.

    He must have cleaned the shelf off at Home Cheapo and finally gave up. Actual problem was a broken heat anticipater wire in an old honey t87 round. (and he broke it! when he took the cover off to blow out the dust, lol)

  3. #16
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    DIYs have been good to me. I can not tell you how many DIYs systems I
    have gone back and brought up to speed. Some have actually done a
    pretty good job of installing, just did not get it up to top performance.

    Some were a disaster, and actually damaged the system installed. I
    walked away from those, and told the DIYer the system was never going
    to work properly, or last very long. Oh well, so goes life.

  4. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by grasshopper1 View Post
    Do it yourself air conditioning sites like this XXXXXXX make homeowners think everything is so easy. But in reality sites like this are only going to get people who have no clue what they are doing injured or killed. If it was as easy as watching a DVD to install a new system we would all be out of jobs. Besides that you cant trust a website that tells you Goodman is the #1 rated HVAC manufacturer
    BWAH HA HA HA! No doubt! LOL!

    BTW. Why remove the link? Why are the people on this forum so damn worried about any Tom Dick or DIY that may WANDER in here that we have to inconvenience ourselves? Put the link back! I wanna see this one!
    True Heavy Metal Geek

  5. #18
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    Its the same one that has been posted before by others.
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    How many times must one fix something before it is fixed?

  6. #19
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    Nice name copycat!!
    Warning: Just because I am over the head injury doesn't mean I'm normal!

    The day I stop learning.... I'm dead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaysonHVAC View Post
    BWAH HA HA HA! No doubt! LOL!

    BTW. Why remove the link? Why are the people on this forum so damn worried about any Tom Dick or DIY that may WANDER in here that we have to inconvenience ourselves? Put the link back! I wanna see this one!
    Probably because of liability. Not too smart for a pro forum to give DIY links. This is a sue-crazy country.
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  8. #21
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    I like the DIYer's, when they screw something up, they always ask how much will it cost to fix the problem, and when I tell them it would have been about a hundred before they jacked with it, but since you screwed it up,now it's gonna run about a thousand.

    It's even better when the wife is present to watch them squirm

  9. #22
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    I guess i better not comment on DYI's .

    Anything I feel competant at attempting myself ........ I just pretty much do it.

    Now not to say it doesnt take a lot longer for me to do then someone that really knows what thet are doing , its just that I like fixing things or doing something totally differant then what I do for a job, that excludes sheetrocking, bucking bales , digging ditches and other things that itsa more of a manuel labor without much use of the mind. OH and I forgot, leary of microwaves being I dont want to glow in the dark

    Now I know that I can pay to have it done a lot easier then the hassel of doing it myself but I would rather expand my knowledge of differant things.

    Thats just the way I am, MONEY ISN"T EVERYTHING
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  10. #23
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    I do many things myself but I don't do things I am unfamiliar with or that can impact the safety of others.

    When I was young I learned how to do many things on cars, I have built many hot rod and non hot rod engines. I have changed out tyrannies and clutches even done lots of brake jobs.

    I do not rebuild front ends or tear into transmissions, I no longer do brakes because I don't know the systems.

    I would not presume to sit down and design a motor from a bunch of parts, say for instance design a head or an intake. that is for people with the training.

    The same for an HVAC system, if you don't understand then don't mess with it. An A/C system has to breathe just like an engine and an amateur trying to design a duct system would be akin to an amateur trying to design a flow chamber for an engine. They may be able to move air from one place to another but what kind of performance will it deliver.

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    The pro knows from repeated experience how much damage can be done in a split second by error. He makes x part of his livelihood fixing other people's unfortunate mistakes.

    Arrogance and an overestimation of self ability are part of the problem. But IMHO the biggest issue is the underestimation of the complexity of the science involved. It's a bad mix.

    I once had a fellow walk up to my van when he saw the "Ice Machines" lettering on it. He looks at me, shakes his head and says "Aw man, ANYBODY can fix an ICE MACHINE!"

    As Clint Eastwood said:

    "A man's got to know his limitations".

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    Quote Originally Posted by midhvac View Post
    I once had a fellow walk up to my van when he saw the "Ice Machines" lettering on it. He looks at me, shakes his head and says "Aw man, ANYBODY can fix an ICE MACHINE!"
    This knucklehead probably fixed a water line leak and thinks he's a freakin' expert now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catpower View Post
    I like the DIYer's, when they screw something up, they always ask how much will it cost to fix the problem, and when I tell them it would have been about a hundred before they jacked with it, but since you screwed it up,now it's gonna run about a thousand.

    It's even better when the wife is present to watch them squirm
    Used to have a sign hanging on the wall in my old shop. I loved it!

    "Rates:
    $50/hr
    $75/hr if you watch
    $100/hr if you help
    $150/hr if you tried to do it first and couldn't."

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