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  1. #1
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    Confused Have you heard of this?

    I got a trane vendor come by, very nice guy did his partial calc. Instead of selling Trane's Cleaneffects he quote me on micropower guard electronic air cleaner (Nature's home). the price is a little lower, but does it do the job? Anyone heard of this product? I only got 3 results searching this forum.

    Also he say he perfer to use "timing" on the 2 stage variable speed using the Trane touchscreen thermostat. it sounds reasonable to keep furance on the 1st stage for 10 minute (5,10,15) before it kicks into full 80K btu. Or should I just ask them to let the thermostat decided when to go full power? he say sometimes the location of thermostat plays too much part into when it kicks into full power.

    is there more reading about timing vs auto?

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    Can't tell you about the air cleaner.

    The thermostat is what should control second stage of the furnace.
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    beenthere,

    do you actually do any work? Just seem like you are always answering my question


    is the thermostat, in my case Trane XL800 is it smart enough that if I walk with a little wind it wont tricker the full furnace? just wondering if the thermostat is smarter or the timer LOL.

    I guess if I go with auto I better check this guys' work


    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Can't tell you about the air cleaner.

    The thermostat is what should control second stage of the furnace.

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    LOl..
    Just what I have too.

    The 8320, and 8321 are both good stats.
    If you walk past it, it won't go to second stage just because you walked by it.
    The air that would be push toward it is the room air temp.
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    beenthere thanks for the info. I will probably watch the tech carefully when they wire that up if I decided to go with them. They have a show room so I'll probably stop by if it's for real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    LOl..
    Just what I have too.

    The 8320, and 8321 are both good stats.
    If you walk past it, it won't go to second stage just because you walked by it.
    The air that would be push toward it is the room air temp.

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    Hi beenthere,

    I just look at the trane web site the 8320 and 8321 are for 3 stage heat!!
    the quote I got is only for 2 stage... I am guessing installer will probably put in the XL600 is there any bad about that one? not ask smart

    in the XL800 it have this "Five-minute time delay for compressor protection" sounds like a good thing?


    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    LOl..
    Just what I have too.

    The 8320, and 8321 are both good stats.
    If you walk past it, it won't go to second stage just because you walked by it.
    The air that would be push toward it is the room air temp.

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    one of the advantages of having a 2 stage heater is the long low fire run times for comfort the timer defeats the purpose

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    Beenthere is highly trained, low paid, well respected member of the HVAC-Talk consultant team...

    We have set a very high standard for our consultants, they even have to be on the site when their taking a dum....ummm...dropping the kids at the po....ummm...attending to personal business

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    Instead of selling Trane's Cleaneffects he quote me on micropower guard electronic air cleaner (Nature's home). the price is a little lower, but does it do the job? Anyone heard of this product? I only got 3 results searching this forum.
    no comparison, the clean effects system hands down
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    Most of us here feel a good 2 stage stat is the only way to get the best comfort out of a 2 stage furnace. The timer eliminates the best feature of a 2 stage, long run times on gentle, quiet low in bitter weather.

    The B is the width, 17.5"

    The 8320/8321 can handle 2 stages of heat pump compressor and 1 stage gas backup or it can handle 2 stages of gas heat and 1 or 2 stages of cooling.

    My guess is you have some screwy polarized media air cleaner, like a Dynamic or Airscreen.

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    BaldLoonie: what do you mean by "screwy"? any suggestion? pro/ con..

    it took me a while to search around google I did found some information on Dynamic ...buymax some are for DIY ppl (trust me I can't diy anything). but seems like polarized media air cleaner seems to be okay. the epa.gov artical didn't like ionic much, now that is "screwy".

    maybe I should just have those 4" media filter?

    Quote Originally Posted by BaldLoonie View Post
    Most of us here feel a good 2 stage stat is the only way to get the best comfort out of a 2 stage furnace. The timer eliminates the best feature of a 2 stage, long run times on gentle, quiet low in bitter weather.

    The B is the width, 17.5"

    The 8320/8321 can handle 2 stages of heat pump compressor and 1 stage gas backup or it can handle 2 stages of gas heat and 1 or 2 stages of cooling.

    My guess is you have some screwy polarized media air cleaner, like a Dynamic or Airscreen.

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    EPA.GOV great read, if you have the time.

    Hi BaldLoonie,

    I see what you mean by screwy http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/airclean.html there are many other good articles there.

    I guess the micro guard is part of Electronic air cleaners family. doesn't produce ozone thu!

    Quote Originally Posted by BaldLoonie View Post
    Most of us here feel a good 2 stage stat is the only way to get the best comfort out of a 2 stage furnace. The timer eliminates the best feature of a 2 stage, long run times on gentle, quiet low in bitter weather.

    The B is the width, 17.5"

    The 8320/8321 can handle 2 stages of heat pump compressor and 1 stage gas backup or it can handle 2 stages of gas heat and 1 or 2 stages of cooling.

    My guess is you have some screwy polarized media air cleaner, like a Dynamic or Airscreen.

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    Timer or not?

    I saw this post by Mayguy, very good post. I saw many other wiring photo too. but my question so if I can set 5, 10, 15 mintues for 2nd stage to kick in isn't that consider timer or is that still consider tstat control?
    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showpost.ph...11&postcount=3

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