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  1. #27
    Wow I envy your electric rates.

    Here we start at 11 cents / kilowatt for the first tiny quantity
    and then grow to 36 cents for heavy useage.

    With electricity that cheap you should do a heat pump!
    Forget gas. I assume gas is not cheaper than the rest
    of the country?

    I guess it really is cool enough that you don't need A/C
    there, but you do get A/C for free when you do a heat
    pump.

    The truly deluxe solution is a heat pump with a little
    gas back up for recovery and when its real cold.

  2. #28
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    I average 10.5 cents per KWH.
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  3. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by bobRitchie View Post
    With electricity that cheap you should do a heat pump!
    1) In order to get the line put in for free, which is now done, I had to commit to 2 gas large appliances.
    2) Definitely don't need A/C
    3) Don't want the giant wart in my yard.

  4. #30
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    >>Winter electric here is 3.76 cents/kWh for the first 16kW, twice that afterwards. Is that cheap?

    That is surreal. These days the average in the US is about 10-12 cents/kwh I believe, and I am paying right around 17 cents/kwh in Texas. Texas is a problem state IMO as is California, and the cheaper rates tend to be in low growth Midwest states which have not had deregulation of any sort, nor a large building program.

    Do you pay the lower rate for the 1st 16,000 kilowatt-hours in a month? And some houses use *more* than that? Quite a large usage there, my max is around 2,000 kwh for a summer month.

    Count yourself lucky, but from your level I would only expect the rates to go up.

    Best wishes -- Pstu

  5. #31

    Gas Company

    I didn't realize that your locomotive was running on oil.

    Everywhere I have ever lived gas company's charge dearly for
    new hookups because they provide the most economical source
    of heat.

    It sounds like in your area, electric, at least if used in a heat pump
    might be substantially cheaper.

    The down sides of heat pumps are slow recovery times, and blasts
    of cool if not cold air when it goes into a defrost cycle. I had one
    in Dallas TX.

    I remember from when I lived in the Northeast, a radio commercial
    for oil heat that had two woman talking. The upshot is they would
    not allow gas into their home because of the danger. I guess a
    neighborhood blows up now and then from gas, but the risk is pretty
    low.

    You don't want the wart of a unit in your yard, but are O.K. with the
    mess that will result from digging for a new gas line.

    I've been very chatty today since our computers here at work
    have been hosed...

  6. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by bobRitchie View Post
    I didn't realize that your locomotive was running on oil.

    Everywhere I have ever lived gas company's charge dearly for
    new hookups because they provide the most economical source
    of heat.

    It sounds like in your area, electric, at least if used in a heat pump
    might be substantially cheaper.

    The down sides of heat pumps are slow recovery times, and blasts
    of cool if not cold air when it goes into a defrost cycle. I had one
    in Dallas TX.

    I remember from when I lived in the Northeast, a radio commercial
    for oil heat that had two woman talking. The upshot is they would
    not allow gas into their home because of the danger. I guess a
    neighborhood blows up now and then from gas, but the risk is pretty
    low.

    You don't want the wart of a unit in your yard, but are O.K. with the
    mess that will result from digging for a new gas line.

    I've been very chatty today since our computers here at work
    have been hosed...
    The gas contractor came and went in 3 hours and used a mechanical mole to tunnel the 30' line. Total damage to my yard was 3 square feet of displaced sod, which they replaced. Cost me $80 in fees and permits, plus the useage commitment. Couldn't be happier with the work. They even agreed to let me hide the meter in some shrubs since it gets read remotely.

    Heat pumps are as rare as insulation in old houses here. The lots are small, and many people care about every square foot. For the 2 weeks a year that you need A/C, a window unit does just fine. I can run mine 12 hours a day, and it barely registers on my bill.

    The City owns the power utility here, and they're vertically integrated right back to the hydro dams, which were paid for 20 years ago. Now, ask me about our property taxes, and we can get REALLY off-topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobRitchie View Post
    I remember from when I lived in the Northeast, a radio commercial
    for oil heat that had two woman talking. The upshot is they would
    not allow gas into their home because of the danger. I guess a
    neighborhood blows up now and then from gas, but the risk is pretty
    low.
    This marketing tactic is called FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. It is used by established markets to defend against disruptive technology. It is seldom more than a holding tactic against losing market share too quickly, unless the old market can truly reinvent itself in some way and become disruptive technology itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by bobRitchie View Post
    You don't want the wart of a unit in your yard, but are O.K. with the
    mess that will result from digging for a new gas line.
    Grass grows back. Warts just rust.

    Quote Originally Posted by bobRitchie View Post
    I've been very chatty today since our computers here at work
    have been hosed...
    That would get me canned where I work.

    -HF

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