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    Atheist soldier sues Army for 'unconstitutional' discrimination

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/ath...ier/index.html

    Hall isn't seeking compensation in his lawsuit -- just the guarantee of religious freedom in the military.

    And just how is that guaranteed? By removing all religion from everyone in the military? Don't ask don't tell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/ath...ier/index.html

    Hall isn't seeking compensation in his lawsuit -- just the guarantee of religious freedom in the military.

    And just how is that guaranteed? By removing all religion from everyone in the military? Don't ask don't tell?
    It's guaranteed by the first amendment. If his allegations are true, they shouldn't give him any monmey, they should dishonorably discharge anyone who took part.

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    Other than removing all religion or non-religion from the Military, how does one guarantee freedom of religion? That was my point. I realize it is in the Constitution. Exactly how does one GUARANTEE that personal feelings won't enter into a situation such as this?
    A lawsuit. What exactly is this accomplishing?

    How does everyone know this guy is an atheist? Does he make a big deal out of it, does he try to shame other's beliefs? If so, wouldn't that be treading on THEIR religious freedom?

    Hall said he met some atheists who suggested he read the Bible again. After doing so, he said he had so many unanswered questions that he decided to become an atheist.

    Seems his faith couldn't have been too strong to begin with, now he's a poster boy for Atheists?
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    Considering the old adage, "There are no atheists in fox holes" I think he will have a hard time finding anyplace completely free from religion. If he suffered any real harm then those involved should be punished but I've thought for some time that atheism is growing more and more to resemble a religion itself. If you accept that perhaps atheism is a religion, then they have no more right to push 'their' religion than I do mine.
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    THAT is what I was trying to say (I didn't do a very good job).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    A lawsuit. What exactly is this accomplishing?
    just like plenty of other lazy asses .... he wants to become rich quick

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    Supposedly no money involved.

    Here's another article on it with slightly more information.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/us...=2&oref=slogin

    One of mr reb's old classmates has been attached to Fort Riley for many years. Might see if he can contact him and see what they know about this.

    For someone who doesn't 'advertise his atheism' I would think organizing a meeting for atheists and freethinkers at Camp Speicher in Iraq wouldn't fit that profile.

    Specialist Hall said he did not advertise his atheism. But his views became apparent during his second deployment in 2006. At a Thanksgiving meal, someone at his table asked everyone to pray. Specialist Hall did not join in, explaining to a sergeant that he did not believe in God. The sergeant got angry, he said, and told him to go to another table.

    Could he not have sat there quietly while the others prayed as they have the right to? Or, did he make a POINT of pointing out his lack of belief in God?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/ath...ier/index.html

    Hall isn't seeking compensation in his lawsuit -- just the guarantee of religious freedom in the military.

    And just how is that guaranteed? By removing all religion from everyone in the military? Don't ask don't tell?
    Maybe he needs to read the constitution again. It says we have the right to freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. So he's actually guaranteed to the right of Atheism. He's covered, not discriminated against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remodeltdt01 View Post
    It's guaranteed by the first amendment. If his allegations are true, they shouldn't give him any monmey, they should dishonorably discharge anyone who took part.
    For what? Exercising their 1st Amendment right to express their opinions also. Give me a break. He has a right to say he is an atheist and to argue his beliefs with "Christians" and they have the same right to disagree with him. I guess "rights" only apply to atheists or Muslims which is PC but not to "Christians". Yeah that's the liberal position give DDs to those who are not PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    For what? Exercising their 1st Amendment right to express their opinions also. Give me a break. He has a right to say he is an atheist and to argue his beliefs with "Christians" and they have the same right to disagree with him. I guess "rights" only apply to atheists or Muslims which is PC but not to "Christians". Yeah that's the liberal position give DDs to those who are not PC.
    No, for discriminating against someone who is exercising their freedom. Contrary to the "conservative" view, freedom doesn't include only what they feel is right.

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    Actually the conservative view (at least around here) is that you don't tread on others--period. To each his own and don't force me to like what ever it is that you do. If the guy made a big deal out of NOT praying (instead of just not participating) then yeah, maybe he should go sit by himself. Should everyone else have decided NOT to pray just because he didn't like it? No.
    I think there is a whole bunch missing in this entire story. If he was 'converted' to atheism do you maybe think he was running around trying to do the same? I would consider someone like that just as bad as the Jehovahs trying to convert everyone.
    Forcing his new found Atheism on everyone is not a right. Having people not like you because of such actions is not discrimination.
    Had his new found belief been to not bathe do you think it would have been discrimination if he'd been told he stinks and needs a shower?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    Actually the conservative view (at least around here) is that you don't tread on others--period. To each his own and don't force me to like what ever it is that you do. If the guy made a big deal out of NOT praying (instead of just not participating) then yeah, maybe he should go sit by himself. Should everyone else have decided NOT to pray just because he didn't like it? No.
    I think there is a whole bunch missing in this entire story. If he was 'converted' to atheism do you maybe think he was running around trying to do the same? I would consider someone like that just as bad as the Jehovahs trying to convert everyone.
    Forcing his new found Atheism on everyone is not a right. Having people not like you because of such actions is not discrimination.
    Had his new found belief been to not bathe do you think it would have been discrimination if he'd been told he stinks and needs a shower?
    His case was brought with the allegation that he was discriminated against because of his religious (non) preference. No where did it state he was evangelizing atheism.

    Ironically, the only way it would be discrimination in the stinky example is if being a stinker was part of his religion, and then only if he was actually discriminated against because of it. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know if holding one's breath is a form of discrimination.

    The conservative view here (with many members) is as you state until someone does or wants to do something they disagree with. Refer to the "Hey California" thread.

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    Organizing meetings of Atheists ON BASE would be promoting this non-religion-religion, would it not? It was stated that he did this. As I said, there's much more to this story I am sure.

    On another note, how do people that are atheists curse? I mean, curses quite often take the lords name in vain...
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