ReplyGo to NCI website and look for NCI contractors in your area.
So no way for some one in your field to fudge numbers. And pass them off to Joe Smoo as acturate.
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Originally Posted by krusty2515
That's a pretty rare job.
Do you sell those to the public???
In any trade where sales are the main source of income there is room for the wonderful human ingenuity....
Did someone try to elude to how ignorant someone was? I didn't see that and it usually would not go down like that. I see people trying to help.
Did you get the How do you select a contractor?
God Speed, Jim. We'll miss you - 2-26-23
Go to NCI website and look for NCI contractors in your area.
So no way for some one in your field to fudge numbers. And pass them off to Joe Smoo as acturate.
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Can you post pictures sometimes that'll get the ball rolling with some ideas at least.
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In case he didn't know about NCI or the whole name.
http://www.nationalcomfortinstitute.com/find.cfm
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I'm just a dumb old maintenance guy,but I would suggest asking friends,family,or co-workers for a good HVAC guy. As for the re-located yankee--- I am also. NC is a great place. Remember why you decided to move here. Every place has its pro's and con's.
God Speed, Jim. We'll miss you - 2-26-23
That Jon guy. he's always thinking ahead.
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I don't mean to demean anybody, but if KRUSTY is so smart why does his spelling s**k so much. Don't knock folks for what they do for a living.
God Speed, Jim. We'll miss you - 2-26-23
Maybe its because of his Krusty fingers.
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He did say he was a math guy...Maybe he doesn't have mozilla.....excuse me I mean Mozilla....
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Point is NO ONE likes car dealers. Why Because they charge a lot of money, and you always leave feeling like you got screwed. Is that the group you want to be associated with?Have you never been to a forum before?
All the bickering feels like home to me
Seriously though we try and give the advice that best fits the situation People miss sentences or get in a hurry or say things without fully thinking them through sometimes or at least I do. Whatever the case people will disagree at times.
The board moderates good information and will call out information that is misleading or not quiet true. Even then it may still be someones opinion that it's right or wrong way to do it....but still up for discussion unless it's clear cut case.
In a situation where someone is asking for advice there may not be a 100% right/wrong way to answer....the lines are slightly blurry.
Can you recommend a good car dealer.....I seem to have the same problems as you refer to.....as a matter of fact if you can recommend a fast food place, restaurant, car garage, chef, (sorry I'm hungry), house cleaner....I seem to have the same problem s with all those. I will think of some others you can recommend to me and will get back later.
All the others are fairly easy to sample and figure out what you like. Your business is not one. My point is and the OP's point was. How do we, when looking for reputable help in your industry, find it?
Most here don't seem to know.
Clay
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Yeah, no kidding. Is that good? Don't you want some way to sort it out? Or is the current system okay?
All I'm trying to get at is, don't say "find a good HVAC guy first", without shedding some light on this process.
Clay
God Speed, Jim. We'll miss you - 2-26-23
If it was easy. Instead of saying find a good HVAC guy.
We'd say go to this guy.
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I realize it's not easy. I also appreciate most of your comments beenthere. Just as a reference, you suggested the site: http://www.nationalcomfortinstitute.com/find.cfm
When I originally did this, I called the two numbers that came up in the list that were within 40 miles, and both said I should call someone closer to my home, because it wasn't worth it for them to come out. They had no suggestions as to who to call though. So I was back to square one.
Clay
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You are mistaken. A total fraud would take your money and disappear. This contractor, most likely, would take your money and give you a (non-optimal, oversized) system that would really cool your house. It would cost you more in electricity and not last as long as a properly sized system, but I bet it would work. I'm sure he has lots of satisfied customers who don't know better, and they would also contend with your characterization of fraud.
His price was not out of range of sanity at all. Duct work is expensive. 5 ton units cost a lot more than 3 tons. Is this fraud? No. It's not not optimal service, that is all. Maybe your ducts really do need service. Unless you pay money to have flow, resistance, leak, etc etc tests done, YOU don't know. YOU are guessing.
I don't know if you are a scientist or a mathematician, but I suspect the latter. You said your got several different answers, and you don't know which one was right. A mathematician looks for one right answer. If you were a scientist, you might realize that they might all be right!
Remember the guy who said the leak was easy to find? Well, it is, if he has a leak detector and knows who to use it. Duct sizing? Duct leaks? Unit sizing? Insulation? Envelope leaks? Return placement? Every one of them may be part of the problem you have. There is no physical law that says some of these guys must be wrong.
I'll tell you one thing straight up. If you complain about a 1991 Rheem system to another type of dealer, 99.99% of the time they will say "time for a new system." If you complain to a Rheem dealer, you have a small chance they might bother to try to fix it while saying "be prepared to buy a new system in a year or two."
Why?
Systems are only engineered to last 10 to 15 years. If you get a superb install and great maintenance, maybe a few more years. Customer satisfaction is not built by band-aiding old systems for new customers beyond their useful lifetime, especially when they never worked right. Every contractor that comes in and hears your litany of complaints thinks to himself, I'll put up with him if he drops several grand on a new system, otherwise I'll just blow him off.
Unfortunately for you, you invested your time building good will with a contractor who was incompetent and unable to help you. You are also paying for new systems quotes from repair men instead of talking to salesmen for free. There are upsides and downsides to both approaches. You don't know who to trust. This is life.
At some point you have to choose who to believe and what to do, repair, remediate, or upgrade. You want that decision to come to you on a silver platter. It won't. Why don't you start by spending a few bucks on the homeowner version of Manual-J, linked above as HVAC-Calc. Then you will have some answers. Spend a few bucks and have your current duct system tested. Then you will know if it can handle the sizing the Manual J says you need. Play with HVAC Calc and see if insulating is cheaper than bigger units and upgrades. It all costs money. If you don't trust contractors, do the Manual J yourself. Most will not do it for free unless you are already signing up for a new system. Why should they? They have $4/gal gas to pay for, kids to send to school and bills to pay.
BTW I'm a homeowner, not a pro. So according so some here, don't take my advice.
-HF
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You're a homeowner that gets it. Well stated.You are mistaken. A total fraud would take your money and disappear. This contractor, most likely, would take your money and give you a (non-optimal, oversized) system that would really cool your house. It would cost you more in electricity and not last as long as a properly sized system, but I bet it would work. I'm sure he has lots of satisfied customers who don't know better, and they would also contend with your characterization of fraud.
His price was not out of range of sanity at all. Duct work is expensive. 5 ton units cost a lot more than 3 tons. Is this fraud? No. It's not not optimal service, that is all. Maybe your ducts really do need service. Unless you pay money to have flow, resistance, leak, etc etc tests done, YOU don't know. YOU are guessing.
I don't know if you are a scientist or a mathematician, but I suspect the latter. You said your got several different answers, and you don't know which one was right. A mathematician looks for one right answer. If you were a scientist, you might realize that they might all be right!
Remember the guy who said the leak was easy to find? Well, it is, if he has a leak detector and knows who to use it. Duct sizing? Duct leaks? Unit sizing? Insulation? Envelope leaks? Return placement? Every one of them may be part of the problem you have. There is no physical law that says some of these guys must be wrong.
I'll tell you one thing straight up. If you complain about a 1991 Rheem system to another type of dealer, 99.99% of the time they will say "time for a new system." If you complain to a Rheem dealer, you have a small chance they might bother to try to fix it while saying "be prepared to buy a new system in a year or two."
Why?
Systems are only engineered to last 10 to 15 years. If you get a superb install and great maintenance, maybe a few more years. Customer satisfaction is not built by band-aiding old systems for new customers beyond their useful lifetime, especially when they never worked right. Every contractor that comes in and hears your litany of complaints thinks to himself, I'll put up with him if he drops several grand on a new system, otherwise I'll just blow him off.
Unfortunately for you, you invested your time building good will with a contractor who was incompetent and unable to help you. You are also paying for new systems quotes from repair men instead of talking to salesmen for free. There are upsides and downsides to both approaches. You don't know who to trust. This is life.
At some point you have to choose who to believe and what to do, repair, remediate, or upgrade. You want that decision to come to you on a silver platter. It won't. Why don't you start by spending a few bucks on the homeowner version of Manual-J, linked above as HVAC-Calc. Then you will have some answers. Spend a few bucks and have your current duct system tested. Then you will know if it can handle the sizing the Manual J says you need. Play with HVAC Calc and see if insulating is cheaper than bigger units and upgrades. It all costs money. If you don't trust contractors, do the Manual J yourself. Most will not do it for free unless you are already signing up for a new system. Why should they? They have $4/gal gas to pay for, kids to send to school and bills to pay.
BTW I'm a homeowner, not a pro. So according so some here, don't take my advice.
-HF
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Sorry guys, but I really do think that krusty is a troll who is yanking our chains. This guy has an excuse for why every bit of advice he is given can't be done. He is another one who thinks that if you are from the north, you think you are better then Southerners and he just seems to have the most horrible knack of calling idiots for service.
Additionally, his claimed profession would dictate that he be a lot more intelligent then he is coming off. Something is just not right with this one.
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For a claimed math guy, his postings certainly don't add up to much other then someone who has every excuse imaginable as to why he will never succede in having his HVAC properly repaired.He did say he was a math guy...Maybe he doesn't have mozilla
If this guy is so untrusting of everyone in our trade in Mississsippi, then what does he think of us?
Nah....this is a troll. Some lonely soul who is craving human reactions on the Internet.
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Yep, I believe you're right.
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I hope Robo is wrong, if only because I just wasted a lot of time on a troll.
Robo is certainly right that Krusty finds a lot of reasons not to act. In engineering, we call this analysis paralysis.
-HF
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yea i dont get it either
unit 17 years
been through the worst flooding in the history of new orleans
ducts most likely unger water also with induct liner
and he wants to keep useing it wtf
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