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  1. #27
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    I would stay away from the goodman all together, even amana would be better, As both are made by the same company, the goodman is the lower end, composed of cheaper parts, and less features. I have installed the ASZ16 two stage (which is the amana), it seemed to work well, the controls in out door unit, are a little un-reliable over time though, they do offer a good warranty. If you want the best unit, get a RHEEM. you can look at their 16 seer at rheemac.com.
    Last edited by aintitfun; 06-25-2008 at 09:32 PM. Reason: add info

  2. #28
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    Thinner = less expensive to build.

    You ever heard of enhansed copper?
    Ken

  3. #29
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    Honestly, from somebody who does it everyday and repairs everything. They are all junk. Otherwise I wouldn't have a job and be able to afford this computer to give you my .02 on it. Just like the rest of the guys on here. Cheap, expensive, high end, low end. If its mechanical, its gonna be a problem.

  4. #30
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    I understand the concept.......less mass.....faster heat transfer....blah blah....not trying to call you out....copper.org doesn't have much info on varying copper thicknesses for ref. purposes. Just curious.....I'm a sponge.

  5. #31
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    I hate these threads....

    Hey pro's....did you notice the OP's name????

    Are we being messed with by a man with too many tools to count?
    I need a new signature.....

  6. #32
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    Cool

    [QUOTEDude.....are you completely out of your mind with this statement?? As stated above, the LOWEST failure rate in the industry. Oh wait....you talked to a supply house guy who knows a guy who has a cousin that says..... I wouldn't be so quick to believe everything you hear.

    To the OP....from someone who installs Goodman exclusively....you have nothing to worry about when it comes to the quality of the unit....you do have to worry about the quality of the installer though. ][/QUOTE]

    Dude...you and my wife agree I may have lost my mind.

    What my dimensia has caused is forgetting the unique environment we have here in small town south Florida "the Swamp". Here we have 2800 colling hours per year compared to your 1500 or so. Oh and the humidity. Here these units are installed in attics that endure 160 degrees during the summer. Compare a goodman residential straight cool to the other manufacturers and you find what my cousins friends sisters supply house clerk I have known for only a few years tells me. I believe it. When you walk in the door they have a warranty paperwork station where the coffee and donuts used to be. Unfortunately here Goodman equates to affordable.

  7. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by $_aei View Post
    Thinner Copper.... Alum....Ect.. if they can't make units that don't leak with R-22 whats going to happen when the change to 410??
    What do you mean change over to R410A. Its already out and being installed daily.

    The copper in coils has been made thinner since before the 13 SEER mandate. hasn't proven to be a problem.
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  8. #34
    I have been very happy with all my goodman products.

    I installed a goodman furnace and condenser in my old house and I was so happy with the product I hooked another goodman gas furnace in tandom to my corn/pellet burner in my new house. I am very happy with it.

    I just installed a 13 seer condenser (recip) with txv-A coil and It had a little trouble starting with just the run cap so I threw in a hard start kit and it runs like a champ!

    I was also happy with the 5 yr parts warranty and if you register online you get an additonal 5 yrs. So 10 yrs!! Whooo hoo! I think thats a super deal.

    I havent heard anything bad about them in this neck of the woods.

  9. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitterchick View Post
    I have been very happy with all my goodman products.
    You keep talking like that, and your going to get Robo excited.
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    Question

    why did goodman drop the name janitrol

  11. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    What do you mean change over to R410A. Its already out and being installed daily.

    The copper in coils has been made thinner since before the 13 SEER mandate. hasn't proven to be a problem.
    i disagree that the thinner copper has not been a problem finding more evap coils that leak then ever(not complaining just explaining )

  12. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by catmanacman View Post
    i disagree that the thinner copper has not been a problem finding more evap coils that leak then ever(not complaining just explaining )

    What about the larger use of VOC's? they are being marketed like no tomorrow.



    Let me explain a little further.

    I run a pool also.

    1 ex: Chlorine tabs for the toilet clean the toilet right......humans excert ammonia in thier bodily fluids.....ammonia and chlorine make chlorine gas.......I couldn't manage to find a more corrosive gas on all my equipment in my pool room before completely understanding pool chemistry.


    Test:

    Clean toilet spotless with chlorine......add small bit of chlorine and then use the bathroom.....you won't smell the chlorine till a human uses the toilet......that's just 1 ex. of the chemicals present today that weren't many years ago as readily.

    One sign to look for improper chemical balance in pools is corrosion of metals and a smell of chlorine......impossible to avoid when yo mis the two.....guess where they go in a conditioned home.


    Think about all the smell good products these days.....seriously doubt they are all harmless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by $_aei View Post
    Some manufactures make tons of money with people assuming that you get what you pay for, Just because it cost more doesn't make it any better. In fact you be surprised how cheeply some " Top Shelf " units are made, Thinner Copper.... Alum....Ect.. if they can't make units that don't leak with R-22 whats going to happen when the change to 410??
    As much as I'd like to claim that brands of units that I do not represent (wholesale to contractors), the fact is that most of the tubing in most of the coils in most of the brands comes from the same supplier. Yes, some of the manufacturers may have periodic issues with the way the aluminum fins are attached to this tubing and sometimes the end panels mess up the tubing, but overall, all of the manufacturer's of HVAC equipment are producing relatively the same stuff and all have issues from time to time.

    Most coils on the market that were designed for R22 tested out to be perfectly acceptable for R410a. Goodman coils for example were never changed other then after R410a compatibility testing was done, the units got a "6" in the model number.
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