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  1. #1
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    Mismatched York System, Need Air Handler

    Okay, so after a bunch of confusion and multiple visits from A/C guys, this is what my new house has installed:

    Unitary Products Group (York/Coleman):
    Air Handler Model: N1VSC1606A
    Coil Model: G2FD048HH21G
    Condenser Model: HBBE-F042SG

    There is also a Honeywell Electric Air Cleaner.

    First, the system is backwards according to the A/C Service Manager Tech:
    Intake -> EAC -> Air Handler -> Coil -> Single Sized 8-Way Air Conduit
    .. the Air Handler and Coil are backwards, apparently it should be pulling not pushing though the coils.

    The tech told me the person who did this should be shot. The system is only two years old, air leaks, wrong parts, mismatches, and old building styles.

    It's costing a lot of electricity and not getting me very far. He overcharged the system so it wouldn't freeze up on me.

    I guess my question is, what Air Handler do I need and is it truely backwards?

    Help!

    *edit* The tech did say the Coil and Condenser were a correct match, though 3.5 ton was oversized for the house.

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    Swap the coil and blower around.

    The HBBE 042 is rated with a 21" wide 4 ton drive.

    Your current blower coil configuration is causing the problem. Once the coil and blower are reversed, you will be fine. And they can then correct the charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Swap the coil and blower around.

    The HBBE 042 is rated with a 21" wide 4 ton drive.

    Your current blower coil configuration is causing the problem. Once the coil and blower are reversed, you will be fine. And they can then correct the charge.
    Really? Thats it? Because the Coil and Blower are both different colors and right now metal tape is the only thing sealing between the EAC and the Blower, I'm assuming I'm going to have the same problem hooking the coil to the EAC unless I have it sideways, maybe I should post pictures.

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    Post pics.

    Can't pull air in teh side of that coil, your contractor will know that.
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    I would make sure you have the correct ARI rated coil. I may suggest you get a york coil to match the blower if the match you have is not rated.

    This is how it is supposed to go! see page #3

    http://www.luxaire.com/PDFFiles/255143-UIM-F-1206.pdf
    Aire Serv of SW Connecticut- Gas heat, dual fuel and central a/c systems installed and serviced

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    Pictures of the System:










    .. any thoughts?

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    Not only do they have the blower wrong with it being before the coil.
    They have it turned 90° wrong.
    The blower access panel should face out the same way the coil access panel does.


    Those installs were real champs.

    Looks like you have a York coil and maybe a Luxaire, or Coleman blower. Nothing wrong with that though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Not only do they have the blower wrong with it being before the coil.
    They have it turned 90 wrong.
    The blower access panel should face out the same way the coil access panel does.


    Those installs were real champs.

    Looks like you have a York coil and maybe a Luxaire, or Coleman blower. Nothing wrong with that though.
    Good Grief. Well I have tried calling 4-5 york/luxiare/coleman dealers in the area and none of them answer the phone. I take it a york/luxaire/coleman dealer is still the best solution for this?

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    Any competent (key word COMPETENT) can correct it for you.

    With the way the blower is teurned, the coil is blocking air flow.
    Once the coil and blower are assembled correctly, you'll think you have a whole new A/C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Any competent (key word COMPETENT) can correct it for you.

    With the way the blower is teurned, the coil is blocking air flow.
    Once the coil and blower are assembled correctly, you'll think you have a whole new A/C.
    So this should turn into a 10-15 year system then? Not just a patch for a couple years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Any competent (key word COMPETENT) can correct it for you.

    With the way the blower is teurned, the coil is blocking air flow.
    Once the coil and blower are assembled correctly, you'll think you have a whole new A/C.

    Holy sheep shat Batman! This could be my who issue too!!

    My furnace is setup as Blower-> Furnace -> AC Coil - > Out to the house

    So the AC coil goes before the blower? I'm not sure how they are going to do that since my blower basically sits on the floor. I'll try and send some pics tomorrow but I would think they could build a box for the coil to sit in, or could they position the blower at the very end of everything (assuming they have room).

    So the system is to suck the air over the coil, not blow it over.... correct?

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    Correct. That type of an install is designed to draw the air through the coil.

    How long will it last. Don't know if the install damaged anything to tell you that.
    For all practical reasons, yes it should last.
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    One thing I forgot to mention is that my unit is an Updraft unit. I just talked to the installer and he said that I was wrong. That all updraft units the AC coil is always after the blower. Is he wrong? If so, is there someplace I can get some documentation stating this so I can give it to the builder and have the builder force him to correct his mistake.

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