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    Chaney at it again

    Lying

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...7O8vAD919066O3

    There are a number of web pages that have been tracking this sociopaths compulsion for lies.
    Tracers work both ways.

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    It's still a problem that WE aren't drilling where we should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrbenny View Post
    It's still a problem that WE aren't drilling where we should.

    Fuggin tree huggin leg humpers.
    Your so right we should be drilling everywere theirs oil to be had.
    Fuggen tree huggin leg humpers.LOL
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    The one good thing is that there is a law that we can't skirt in this matter of high energy prices.

    It is this: high prices fix high prices.

    Demand will be reduced, and supply will be R & Dd, meaning researched and developed. It is just a matter of to what extent the masses clamor for "the government" to do something before some optimistic innovator comes up with something, and gets it through into the market to make changes.

    Here's to hoping that the innovators get through FIRST.

    But high prices fix high prices. It holds true for any commodity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    The one good thing is that there is a law that we can't skirt in this matter of high energy prices.

    It is this: high prices fix high prices.

    Demand will be reduced, and supply will be R & Dd, meaning researched and developed. It is just a matter of to what extent the masses clamor for "the government" to do something before some optimistic innovator comes up with something, and gets it through into the market to make changes.

    Here's to hoping that the innovators get through FIRST.

    But high prices fix high prices. It holds true for any commodity.
    Free market is corrupted though, by those tree-hugging leg-humper folks.... Cannot drill off of the coast[80%] or anwar. Coal is considered evil. Nuclear is bad, according to the same dimwits. They expect wind and sun will solve everything, in spite of the fact wind and sun are main reasons we need oil, coal, gas, and even nukejuice.

    Cheney is on-point, we need to be drilling. China is only exploring/drilling, not drilling/pumping,.. but they aint puttin holes in the ground for fun,... they intend to pump and any american that reads that article posted should see that.

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    Totally agree, tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Free market is corrupted though, by those tree-hugging leg-humper folks.... Cannot drill off of the coast[80%] or anwar. Coal is considered evil. Nuclear is bad, according to the same dimwits. They expect wind and sun will solve everything, in spite of the fact wind and sun are main reasons we need oil, coal, gas, and even nukejuice.

    Cheney is on-point, we need to be drilling. China is only exploring/drilling, not drilling/pumping,.. but they aint puttin holes in the ground for fun,... they intend to pump and any american that reads that article posted should see that.
    Not only is Nuclear bad, its the most expensive way to produce power.

    Kind of like inventing a new deadly poison, without having an andidote.

    How many billion does it cost to produce a nuclear reactor and the disposal/reclamation costs involved. If you took those same billions and invested in alernative technolgy, we would be way ahead of the game.

    Each nuclear reactor costs between 3 to 5 billion, just to construct. If you took that amount of money and installed $20.000 worth of solar panels in new energy efficient homes with reverse metering, not only would it beat nuclear to dead, but would produce a hell of a lot more jobs, and would give our labor market a large boost.

    We need to look at all energy usage locations, and use the local recources like wind, sun and water to make ourselfs not only energy independent but keep our energy costs down.

    This country needs to go back to their roots, we used to be inovators, now were just followers of the same old tired "lets send our young people to die, so we can have our monopo-lies".

    America has gotton lazy and stupid, the proof of this is looking at the upcomming election choices.

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    America has gotton lazy and stupid, the proof of this is looking at the upcomming election choices.

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    Well said Roy sad but true
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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    Not only is Nuclear bad, its the most expensive way to produce power.

    Kind of like inventing a new deadly poison, without having an andidote.

    How many billion does it cost to produce a nuclear reactor and the disposal/reclamation costs involved. If you took those same billions and invested in alernative technolgy, we would be way ahead of the game.

    Each nuclear reactor costs between 3 to 5 billion, just to construct. If you took that amount of money and installed $20.000 worth of solar panels in new energy efficient homes with reverse metering, not only would it beat nuclear to dead, but would produce a hell of a lot more jobs, and would give our labor market a large boost.

    We need to look at all energy usage locations, and use the local recources like wind, sun and water to make ourselfs not only energy independent but keep our energy costs down.

    This country needs to go back to their roots, we used to be inovators, now were just followers of the same old tired "lets send our young people to die, so we can have our monopo-lies".

    America has gotton lazy and stupid, the proof of this is looking at the upcomming election choices.

    Roy
    I am no big nuke-juice advocate. Point made, but if private companies want to invest then let them. Coal is a grand energy source and offshore drilling is natural harvesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Free market is corrupted though, by those tree-hugging leg-humper folks.... Cannot drill off of the coast[80%] or anwar. Coal is considered evil. Nuclear is bad, according to the same dimwits. They expect wind and sun will solve everything, in spite of the fact wind and sun are main reasons we need oil, coal, gas, and even nukejuice.

    Cheney is on-point, we need to be drilling. China is only exploring/drilling, not drilling/pumping,.. but they aint puttin holes in the ground for fun,... they intend to pump and any american that reads that article posted should see that.
    The reason Cheney MIGHT be on point would only be if he were advocating that free-market forces do the drilling. The free market is NOT corrupted by environmentalist wackos--the regulation side (meaning, the gov't) is the side that is corrupted by those blokes.

    So-called "free market" folks come in different varieties only because we've accepted the notion that people must be forced to conform by a man with a gun.
    True free-market folks can be found for example at mises(dot)org
    or lewrockwell(dot)com

    Just as examples AS OPPOSED to people who accept all sorts of government regulation of industry with the cry " but the railroad barons...."

    Please don't lump environmentalist wackos in with the folks you might find at either of those institutions which I mentioned.
    They are anything but getting in the way like the tree huggers DO.

    Now there might be an adjustment that will become more long-term with regard to the demand for oil. Simply coercing the Saudis to give it up is not in the interest of a free market.
    A highly-managed by the Fed market, YES. But a free market--not so much.
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    Problem being if a bunch of oil were made available Americans wouldn't have learned a thing. They would be dusting off their SUV's and guzzling again.

    And Roy, I agree with what you said about nuclear.

    We had a workable energy policy in the late 70's that was designed to free us of foreign oil. Guess who trashed it??
    If the policy had been kept we wouldn't be where we are now.

    The best thing although painful would be for Americans to kick the habit.

    It's interesting though that Saudis are kicking up production just in time for the elections.
    Tracers work both ways.

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    There's a finite limit to how much oil there is. Drilling more will help, but we're going to run out eventually. It hurts, but the runup in prices is the only way to get us to cut back our use.

    More solar and wind power is needed. Unfortunately, they can't and won't ever supply the quantity of power our society needs. We've pretty much maxed how much hydroelectric power we can generate. That leaves us with natural gas, coal, and nuclear. Natural gas is starting to go the way of oil, with increasing costs and a limited supply. There's plenty of coal and nuclear though.

    Comparing coal and nuclear the choice is clear. Nuclear is safer, cleaner, and doesn't trash the environment like coal does. The only reason nuclear reators are so expensive is because of all the assinine requirements on their construction and the inevitable delays made by the politicians and their kowtowing to the anti-nuke paranoids.

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