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    Cool trane discontinueing side vent

    I was told that trane was getting rid of the XL14 and that the 15 was next and that the side vent was also a problem for units that are boxed in ( near house in a corner...)

    opinions??

    I am trying to decide betweeen Trane, York and lennox and the 2 contractors are pushing back and forth with reasons

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    Go with the Trane. You can't go wrong with it. I installed the 16i in my personal home and love it. I deal with trane on a daily basis and have heard nothing about problems with the side vent or discontinuing of the 14i. From someone who works on this stuff everyday. I see far less tranes than anything else. i feel that lennox has dropped off in quality in the past few yrs. I've seen a lot of issues with the high pressure switch on the 410 systems. As for york....I wouldnt put that in a crack house.

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    Funny. I've repped Carrier, Trane, and York. Can't say that any of them have higher failure rates than the others.

    RLEE... it's quite obvious that you've not been around the Affinity product by York. It is the absolute quietest product on the market.
    Perhaps you should have read the instructions before calling.

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    I believe the R22 version of the 14 is being discontinued. Gonna happen to all R22 units in about another 18 months.
    The side vent is a problem for some installations. There is a work around for it.

    If the guy telling you this is the Trane guy, he's being very honest.
    If its any of the othe guys, brand bashing to make a sell is a poor salesmans tactic.
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    A homeowner won't care how quiet it is if they are always having to call someone to fix it ! Last time i checked the Lennox XP 15 was the quietest. But If you wont to help someone make a poor choice then thats on you!

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    Most people would post a sound rating to back up heir opinion.
    Sound whats the sound rating of the Lennox 15.
    Last edited by beenthere; 06-17-2008 at 10:07 PM.
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    63 dB's if you want to know that bad. But i dont know why you avoided the reliability issue. A homeowner will not care how quiet something is if it's not operating. But i guess if you look at it that way then you are right. The york would be the quietest
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    Tran is dropping the 14i because it is at the bottom of efficiency levels,similar to the XB13, so the xl15i will be the lowest end XL series offered, nothing wrong with the 14i, just a change in the XL line, they are still good units for as long as they are available. All of the XL line will still have the weatherguard top as far as I have heard. The XB line does not have the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLEE2344 View Post
    63 dB's if you want to know that bad. But i dont know why you avoided the reliability issue. A homeowner will not care how quiet something is if it's not operating. But i guess if you look at it that way then you are right. The york would be the quietest
    Well, Reliability issue.

    There are several post right now about Tranes not working right. Guess thats reliability.

    There have been many post about trouble with 16i's, and of course the early days of the 19i with its oil during defrost. Yep, thats reliability.

    Maybe you want to define what you consider reliable. And not just the old, well I fix more X brand then I do Y brand garbage.
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    Number 1 reason for equipment failure is improper installation and under qualified techs. I can count on one hand the problems i have encountered with trane. The 16i that i put in my own home is flawless. Anyone i have ever installed a XL series system has been more than happy. I have a local york contractor in my town...and i have been behind him on many problems. Some installation error and other factory defects. Now i understand that many manufactuers use the same parts such as contactors and run caps and such. But the actual casing on york is embarrassingly flimsy. And if you have to put "team logo's" on side panels to sell your product then your reaching pretty far to make a sale. Who would pay for that anyway? 99% of people try to hide their condensing unit, not show it off. Come on...they think people are going to put these in their front yard???

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLEE2344 View Post
    Number 1 reason for equipment failure is improper installation and under qualified techs.

    BINGO, its not teh stupid brand name that counts.


    I have a local york contractor in my town...and i have been behind him on many problems.

    Vast majority are install problems, not the brand. And the defective parts may be the ones he burnt up/overloaded.

    Who would pay for that anyway? 99% of people try to hide their condensing unit, not show it off. Come on...they think people are going to put these in their front yard???

    Actually did sell a couple of the color panels. They help to hide the unit when customers choose the color panels.

    You didn't install any of the early 19i heat pumps then, huh.

    Tranes ok, its not the most reliable.
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    you can say what you want but look at any research done on mechanical eqipment and you will find that trane is on top. the only thing with the trane name that was garbage was the water source systems and they out sourced those to another company and quickly stopped production. But im sure you may be one of those that checks a charge with that 5 appendage temp probe at the end of your right arm. so there is no point in arguing. I bet you can fix anything with a box full of potential relays and some "freon" right? As for selling the logo panels to hide the unit??? Are you serious. why dont you just paint it bright pink and put some go kart flags on all 4 corners and you might draw the same amount of attention to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLEE2344 View Post
    you can say what you want but look at any research done on mechanical eqipment and you will find that trane is on top. the only thing with the trane name that was garbage was the water source systems and they out sourced those to another company and quickly stopped production. But im sure you may be one of those that checks a charge with that 5 appendage temp probe at the end of your right arm. so there is no point in arguing. I bet you can fix anything with a box full of potential relays and some "freon" right?
    Do I sense a little bit of hostility????

    Freon fixes everything....didn't you know that?

    And if you can't get it fixed with freon, add a little refrigerant and it'll come right on up to par.
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