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    Question Rheem Copeland Scroll Compressors

    "Are Some Heat Pumps Better Than Others?
    Naturally, energy efficiency is important. But when making your selection, remember low operating costs are little comfort if service and repair bills are high. Don’t be sold on energy efficiency alone. "

    "Rheem is the only manufacturer to install the Copeland® Compliant Scroll® Compressor, the industry best, in its entire residential heat pump line."

    So are there any objective data that confirms this or is this Rheem crowing about a gadget

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    Rheem is good, Copeland Scroll is very good. Look for long warranty, parts
    and labor, and good SEER rating. Also get a installer with a good reputation.

    Pick these you should be good to go.

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    Does Rheem put the CSC on all

    their A/C and HP's?

    Really doesn't matter to me, b/c when we choose we're going w/the highest SEER made by company x in a heat pump. Rheem's highest SEER is 16 in heat pump models, and 18 in A/C's, but Amana has an 18 SEER in heat pump?

    The Copeland Scroll Reliablilty could be a tipping point in my decision making

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    Well, that really isn't so anymore now that Rheem is putting the Rheem & Ruud name on the cubes which have a few recips in them or may have a Danfoss scroll. Back in 1995 or so, they were the first and for a LONG TIME, only all Copeland scroll lineup but now others do as well.

    Look at all numbers. Rheem has some good heating output figures as well as some high HSPF ratings. Don't look only at SEER, especially in a cooler climate.

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    Compare the HSPF of the heat pumps you are looking at, higher the better.

    or what ^ said :0

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    Prolly should be more concerned w/EER

    live near Tupelo. Electric rates are only 8.32 cents/kwh. Butane is a killer

    I'm just glad to have time and this great board of experts to help me.

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    The small amount of savings a 18 might get you over a 16, they better be about the same price to get a ROI.

    I've talked 3 customers out of getting the 18 SEER York HPsand getting the 15 SEER instead. There is no ROI. In my area for the price difference.
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    Been or anyone (Q inside)

    Under what set of GENERAL circumstances would you recomend go whole hog for the higher SEER units?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    I've talked 3 customers out of getting the 18 SEER York HPsand getting the 15 SEER instead. There is no ROI. In my area for the price difference.
    Now THAT takes an honest sales guy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomulanSpy View Post
    Under what set of GENERAL circumstances would you recomend go whole hog for the higher SEER units?
    A. 6 monthes or more for your cooling season.
    B. Highly Green oriented.
    C. You really really want to out do your neighbors.
    D. You like expensive conversation pieces.
    E. You just don't know what to do with your money.
    F. The sales person is a saleswoman with a realy great set of legs.
    G. Your about to pass away, and want to spite your kids and or wife.

    A 2 stage 15 or 16 SEER is about the highest that is realistic in most areas for a ROI.

    But, I'm not saying that the 21 SEER inverters aren't worth it for the dehumidifying ability.
    Since they are modulating, they are a different animal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanHughes View Post
    Now THAT takes an honest sales guy!
    I passed up some good commisions on those jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post

    But, I'm not saying that the 21 SEER inverters aren't worth it for the dehumidifying ability.
    Since they are modulating, they are a different animal.
    I doubt there is a 21 SEER inverter in heat pumps, eh? If there is, point me in the right direction.

    BTW, thanx for the answers about the higher seer units

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomulanSpy View Post
    I doubt there is a 21 SEER inverter in heat pumps, eh? If there is, point me in the right direction.
    Not currently, but Nordyne says they will have the IQ drive heat pumps out by the end of the year, or early next year.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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