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  1. #1
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    Dec 2004

    how long do we have?


    This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.

    I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.

    How Long Do We Have?

    About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

    "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."

    "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."

    "From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapses due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

    "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years"

    "During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
    2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
    3. from courage to liberty;
    4. from liberty to abundance;
    5. from abundance to complacency;
    6. from complacency to apathy;
    7. from apathy to dependence;
    8. from dependence back into bondage"

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

    Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29

    Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000

    Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million

    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won byemocrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1

    Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the tax paying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..." Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

    "Nothing else can poison our culture, corrupt our society or ruin the character of our people like unearned money or unearned opportunity." -- James R. Cook

    "Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of time. Nobody will use it, ever." Thomas Edison, 1889.

  2. #2
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    Sep 2005
    Sad but so true.
    I love the smell of phosgene first thing in the morning:

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  3. #3
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    Mar 2004
    SE Michigan

    Thumbs up

    Good post dudeski!
    To put the world in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must put the family in order; to put the family in order, we must cultivate our personal life; and to cultivate our personal life, we must first set our hearts right.
    -- Confucius

  4. #4
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    Jan 2005
    35 miles from Tunica (casinos)

    Decline of Democracy

    the truth in in the tax situation. 40% pay no taxes but get refunds?

  5. #5
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    Sep 2002
    Ya its already too late .......... Twilli has been tricking us for years in here. He was just waiting for the country to be weakened by our polititions.

    pretty soon he can say he was a dictator once.

  6. #6
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    Apr 2008
    Southern New Hampshire (USA)
    never really thought about it like that

  7. #7
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    Sep 2002
    Dont think about it ... its only gonna make you upset . Just do like the other 350,000,000 people and watch American Idol , or Jerry Springer

  8. #8
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    Jan 2004
    Here and there
    Damn Charles did not know you were that smart, Thanks for the opinion.

    You been talkin to Dice ? lol
    i belong to peta ... people eating tasty animals. all my opinions are just mine.

  9. #9
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    Feb 2005
    Barrie, Ontario
    Do you believe everything you read? Everyone has an agenda.

    Man, forget about the politics. Whatcha gonna do about the weather? Double the record for tornados. double the damage...
    Last edited by gruntly; 05-12-2008 at 12:03 AM.
    Is this a Fabreze moment? C.Y.D. I'm voting white elephant. 2.
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  10. #10
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    Jan 2007
    Charm City--the city that bleeds
    The overall point is still well-taken, even if you reduce the errors from the piece.

    Do we want to pull our head out of the sand regarding freedom, or would we rather fulfill the pursuits of failed societies, such as Rome's bread and circuses?
    It's great to be alive and pumping oxygen!

  11. #11
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    Nov 2004
    White Lake, MI
    Call me naive, but I still have faith on our country. The clowns get the most publicity, but the core is still strong, and carries a lot of weight once awoken.

    Even Democrats

    They are just suffering through a spell of bad leadership whose agenda seemingly seeks personal gain through polarization.

    One part of Obama's message which is good is bridging the gaps which exist in our society. Whether or not this is empty rhetoric from him is another thing.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Quote Originally Posted by gruntly View Post
    Do you believe everything you read? Everyone has an agenda.
    Snopes debunked after FBI raid

    Just having a little fun with snopes but while the numbers are off a bit, the overall premise still seems intact.
    Never knock on Death's door. Ring the bell and run, he hates that.

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  13. #13
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    Feb 2004
    Woburn, MA
    "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years"
    Errrr... what?

    Not even close.

    Just as one example, and a pretty complex one I'll admit, one could say that the beginnings of democracy in Rome began when the last king was deposed in 510 BC. While true that the republic became divided over time, the last elements of it did not fall until Constantinople did in the 1400s.
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