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    Party's real agenda for election

    OK, it seems quite clear that with the choices we have had for the upcoming presidential election that the two major party's certainly don't really want to give us someone really worthwhile for president for at least the next four years. Why not?

    Well, if we think about it, who really wants to take charge of the country with the things that are currently going on? With the media hyped opinion polls of President Bush, the current administration "AND" the current Congress, just who wants to enter that mess?

    Here's what I think;

    The Democrats were hoping upon hopes that they could manipulate Congress to force the President to withdraw all troops in the Middle East which would have given them one major issue to not have to deal with. The Democrats know full well that no Democratic president is going to back off of the Middle East any more then the current administration is going to do so. We simply need to stay in the Middle East for a while longer.

    Since the Middle East issue is still on the table, the Dems seem to have figured that they would take this oportunity to test the racial and gender waters for the presidency by putting up a woman and a non-White (can't really call Obama black now can we?) candidate. On the off chance that the country simply would not vote in a Republican, the Dems would make history without having to have a candidate that was actually effective.

    The Republicans are running a candidate that is essentially a safe bet. McCain will pretty much stay the course with what the current administration has been doing but McCain is a bit more palatable to Dems who may not be able to vote in a Dem candidate just to make history.

    For the purpose of becoming president of the United States and actually doing anything, I don't thing either party really wants to take that responsibility. Basically; McCain is saying we need to keep doing what we are doing, but he sympathizes with the Dems as well, and Obama is just spewing out the "need for change" without ever saying what that change would entail or how in the world he could actually make any change occur.

    So, we have a stalemate situation where neither party really wants the presidency for any reason other then to possibly promote the party for future elections when things may not be so hyped up.

    What do you all think? Do the candidates really want to be president in order to actually do anything different? Do the party's really want to control the Executive Branch for any other reason then to attempt to promote the Party?
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    Smart post.
    I think Obama is a sharp contrast to McCain, he promises 'change'. Hillary is done for. I think democrats want us out of the middle-east and let them sort-out their own regional problems. Voting results supporting obama would indicate that. Personally, I think that is short-sighted, as there is no green-oil-fairy or 12th imam, but lots of others believe in such things and this is going to become a problem. [iran] I think obama democrats want the warring to cease, right now, and yes they really want control of the executive branch to make that happen. They will welcome tag-along support from the usual socialists, baby-killers, and sexual-deviants.
    I think republicans want control too. In mind to smash our enemies if need be before they can hurt us and stop the insane illegal immigration. McCain no wonderboy, but, better than obama.
    I see this as a serious contest. Future considerations apply, but there is 4 years of serious influence up for grabs. Both parties want control, IMHO.

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    I agree that the choices are poor at best. Barry Obama is a closet socialist like many of theliberal Democrats. McCain is little better. That said I just hope McCain reigns in spending and gets the tax cuts permanent. And some how works on letting the USA harvest some of our petrolium resources here and build a refinery or two. I'm not holding my breath
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    I'm totally disenfranchised with our whole political situation. When we start second guessing our leaders true motives shouldn't that alone tell us that somethings really wrong? I think that we will continue to spiral downward until we have a moral and spiritual awakening and men pursue leading roles in this country because they care and want to make a difference rather than all the selfish ambition that we currently see. We had a good chance to overhaul American politics with an emerging third party until good ole Ross Perot killed it with his score setting antics against George Bush (senior) in the early 90's.

    I think we need a political revolution.

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    I hate to say it, but the Dems are on a roll. This is their election to lose. They got a far out agenda that they can not come out and say like gay marriage, any kind of abortion on demand, constricting gun rights for law abiding citizens, constricting property rights (remember eminent domain), and suppressing free speech (Hush Rush legislation, McCain-Feingold) and on and on.
    How are they gonna do it??......You guessed it!.....THE SUPREME COURT!!!! Gotta stack it up with lib judges (see Chuck Schumer in another thread). So yeah....they want to win BAD.
    McCain.....not much of a Republican, if you ask me. He's what they call a Rhino. However, the Republican elites can see the writing on the wall. They know that we have been sucked in to the "black hole", that is Socialism. So they are jumping on the train, rather than take a stand and fight for what is right. Thus, we have McCain......WEAK!! So, deep down, they don't want it as much.
    Like I said, Dems election to lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whec720 View Post
    I hate to say it, but the Dems are on a roll. This is their election to lose. They got a far out agenda that they can not come out and say like gay marriage, any kind of abortion on demand, constricting gun rights for law abiding citizens, constricting property rights (remember eminent domain), and suppressing free speech (Hush Rush legislation, McCain-Feingold) and on and on.
    How are they gonna do it??......You guessed it!.....THE SUPREME COURT!!!! Gotta stack it up with lib judges (see Chuck Schumer in another thread). So yeah....they want to win BAD.
    McCain.....not much of a Republican, if you ask me. He's what they call a Rhino. However, the Republican elites can see the writing on the wall. They know that we have been sucked in to the "black hole", that is Socialism. So they are jumping on the train, rather than take a stand and fight for what is right. Thus, we have McCain......WEAK!! So, deep down, they don't want it as much.
    Like I said, Dems election to lose.

    The reason McCain is the republican nominee is because the dem's invaded the rep caucases and primaries and got him in early.
    They either liked him better, or thought he would be easy to beat.
    NOW the dem's are whinning that the republicans are messing with THEIR primary process and THEY dont like it.... Ha, Ha....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cehs View Post
    The reason McCain is the republican nominee is because the dem's invaded the rep caucases and primaries and got him in early.
    They either liked him better, or thought he would be easy to beat.
    NOW the dem's are whinning that the republicans are messing with THEIR primary process and THEY dont like it.... Ha, Ha....
    Disagree. I'm sure that sort of stuff went on but if you look at the hard numbers, Huckabee didn't even get close to McCain. McCain is where he is at because the Republican establishment wants him there. He's a status quo guy, which it what they want and is also why the Pubs are getting trounced in recent elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whec720 View Post
    Disagree. I'm sure that sort of stuff went on but if you look at the hard numbers, Huckabee didn't even get close to McCain. McCain is where he is at because the Republican establishment wants him there. He's a status quo guy, which it what they want
    I agree with you this far. He is the leader that the Republicans deserve.
    and is also why the Pubs are getting trounced in recent elections.
    Now that one is a bit more hairy. Smart pols are tying other issues to elections in order to bring out their preferred constituencies, such as in Ohio where they got the minimum wage issues to drag out the Dem voters and beat back the Republicans. Mc Cain ought to appeal to some of those folks--he's a RINO, might as well be related to Mr. Zell Miller of Georgia(D) except that at least Mr. Miller is respectable for as much as I can see, in that he's not for cashing in our first amendment rights(McCain-Feingold), and granting amnesty like Johnny Mac wants to do.
    It will be the Republicans' race to lose, unless the Democrats can hand a lot of cigarettes out to homeless bums again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    I agree with you this far. He is the leader that the Republicans deserve.Now that one is a bit more hairy. Smart pols are tying other issues to elections in order to bring out their preferred constituencies, such as in Ohio where they got the minimum wage issues to drag out the Dem voters and beat back the Republicans. Mc Cain ought to appeal to some of those folks--he's a RINO, might as well be related to Mr. Zell Miller of Georgia(D) except that at least Mr. Miller is respectable for as much as I can see, in that he's not for cashing in our first amendment rights(McCain-Feingold), and granting amnesty like Johnny Mac wants to do.
    It will be the Republicans' race to lose, unless the Democrats can hand a lot of cigarettes out to homeless bums again.
    Heh, heh....handing out cigarettes to homeless bums again...lol. Man, you and I agree on what a putz McCain is. However, what are the Republicans standing for nowadays? Do you know? I sure don't. All I know is that they want us to stay the course in Iraq. What else? What are we going to do to curb illegal immigration and secure our borders? What are we going to do with the millions of illegals we have in this country now? When can we start drilling for our own oil and building more nuclear power plants? Are there any viable Republicans willing to take a stand on these issues? Where is the problem solving?
    Seems to me that they have taken up Democratic traits of being cowards and creeps.
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    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one thinking that there is a lot more then meets the eye with the current elections. Yes, it is a bitter pill to swallow realizing that our political leaders have a different true agenda then the show they are putting on for us all seems to indicate.

    It's just that, more then usual, those who are wanting to become the leader of the United States are just not telling us anything that they can actually achieve as president. Even more then when Jimmy Carter was being sold to us, I feel we are being sold a product more so then we are hearing anything worthy of making an informed choice on who we should vote for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one thinking that there is a lot more then meets the eye with the current elections. Yes, it is a bitter pill to swallow realizing that our political leaders have a different true agenda then the show they are putting on for us all seems to indicate.

    It's just that, more then usual, those who are wanting to become the leader of the United States are just not telling us anything that they can actually achieve as president. Even more then when Jimmy Carter was being sold to us, I feel we are being sold a product more so then we are hearing anything worthy of making an informed choice on who we should vote for.
    It all comes down to the Supreme Court. Since the Congress is run by spineless cowards, the Court now enacts the laws through rulings. Congress just shrugs their shoulders, "Hey the courts ruled this. Nothing we can do. This is the rule of law." Then they go about their business of blowing our tax dollars on "pork" for their perspective districts, as to better their chances of being re-elected.
    So do you want liberal judges or more conservative judges? Now pick a candidate!
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    http://campaignspot.nationalreview.c...hiZTZiMmE2YTY=
    I'm not sure this link is complete. It's a piece by Jim Geraghty, with the title which includes the words "Day one.....about where gasoline comes from for John Mc Cain", on the NRO homepage.

    Day one, an area off-limits to drilling because of federal regulations. Day two, a refinery — one of those important structures that we haven't built in this country since 1976. Day three, a distribution plant, observing the Byzantine system of blend requirements in each state. Day four, the gas stations themselves, noting that 18 states don't have any oil refineries, meaning that all of their supply has to be transported from out of state.
    Don't you think he could get a lot of traction pushing for opening up the market to big oil regardless of what happens to the dollar?
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