Results 1 to 12 of 12

Thread: Freon / refrigerant ..Leaks. What is the Law?

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    2
    Post Likes

    Question Freon / refrigerant ..Leaks. What is the Law?

    What is the law concerning refrigerant leaks and companies adding refrigerant?
    Do technicians have to find the leak and repair it? Can they add refrigerant and not repair a leak. Are the laws different from state to state and where would I find that law. Thanks!

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Houston Texas
    Posts
    6,374
    Post Likes
    Yes laws are different for some municipalities like Austin, Texas which is more stringent than federal law.

    There is no requirement by the federal entities that require a leak to be found or to prevent adding refrigerant to a leaking system on residential equipment. Commercial equipment that contains 50 pounds or more has different regs. I am not sure what they are because I have not worked on commercial equipment for many years.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Northern VA 38 degrees N by 76 degrees W
    Posts
    5,115
    Post Likes
    Quote Originally Posted by wintergreen View Post
    What is the law concerning refrigerant leaks and companies adding refrigerant?
    Do technicians have to find the leak and repair it? Can they add refrigerant and not repair a leak. Are the laws different from state to state and where would I find that law. Thanks!
    The EPA laws do not differ between states.

    The technician should locate the leak and repair it.

    The Montreal Protocal Act

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    80,602
    Post Likes
    All equipment containing a normal operating charge of 50 pounds or more have leak repair requirements if their anual leak rate is equal to or more then 35% for industrial proccess, or 15% for comfort cooling.

    Doubtfull your system holds 50 or more pounds of normal operating charge.
    So the tech by fed regulation can add refrigerant.
    Assuming its not blowing out the coil or line set at him while he's charging it.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    80,602
    Post Likes
    The question is, should you keep having techs add gas to it, or bite the bullet and repair or replace it so you have reliable and efficienct operation.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Houston Texas
    Posts
    6,374
    Post Likes
    Quote Originally Posted by second opinion View Post
    The EPA laws do not differ between states.

    The technician should locate the leak and repair it.

    The Montreal Protocal Act
    The EPA law does not differ but local regs may be more stringent than federal regs. The more stringent regulation will be the one that must be adhered too.

    I agree that a leak should be located and repaired but it is not required for residential equipment.

    The Montreal Protocol is the governing factor but it is not the law; EPA 608 is the governing document federally.

    This is the relevant information concerning leak repairs:
    Owners of equipment with charges of greater than 50 pounds are required to repair leaks in the equipment when those leaks together would result in the loss of more than a certain percentage of the equipment's charge over a year. For the commercial and industrial process refrigeration sectors, leaks must be repaired when the appliance leaks at a rate that would release 35 percent or more of the charge over a year. For all other sectors, including comfort cooling, leaks must be repaired when the appliance leaks at a rate that would release 15 percent or more of the charge over a year.
    The trigger for repair requirements is the current leak rate rather than the total quantity of refrigerant lost. For instance, owners of a commercial refrigeration system containing 100 pounds of charge must repair leaks if they find that the system has lost 10 pounds of charge over the past month; although 10 pounds represents only 10 percent of the system charge in this case, a leak rate of 10 pounds per month would result in the release of over 100 percent of the charge over the year. To track leak rates, owners of air-conditioning and refrigeration equipment with more than 50 pounds of charge must keep records of the quantity of refrigerant added to their equipment during servicing and maintenance procedures.
    Owners are required to repair leaks within 30 days of discovery. This requirement is waived if, within 30 days of discovery, owners develop a one-year retrofit or retirement plan for the leaking equipment. Owners of industrial process refrigeration equipment may qualify for additional time under certain circumstances. For example, if an industrial process shutdown is required to repair a leak, owners have 120 days to repair the leak. Owners of leaky industrial process refrigeration equipment should see the Compliance Assistance Guidance Document for Leak Repair (available from the hotline) for additional information concerning time extensions and pertinent recordkeeping and reporting requirements. EPA anticipates putting this document on the web site, but does not have an estimated date for when that will happen.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    80,602
    Post Likes
    And if you read the addendums, the leak no longer has to be repaired completely.
    Only enough that it is brought back under the trigger rate.

    Its a bunch of BS these days.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    SC
    Posts
    930
    Post Likes
    EPA (federal law) says only systems with 50 lb or greater charges MUST repair leaks, and only when they exceed given leak rates. Typical residential units have 5-20 lb charges.
    State and/or Local regulations may be more stringent, but not less.
    Usually makes sense to find and fix leaks. But not required by federal law.
    Here's the "simple" flowchart:
    http://www.epa.gov/Ozone/title6/608/.../flowchart.pdf

    You wanna see the regs?
    http://www.epa.gov/Ozone/title6/608/...59fr42950.html

    Get a big pot of coffee before you start reading...

  9. #9
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Houston Texas
    Posts
    6,374
    Post Likes
    In Austin the local ordinance requires that a refrigerant log must be applied to the (residential) condenser. If the leak rate exceeds a specific percentage (10% I think) the leak must be repaired or the leaking component replaced

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    19,249
    Post Likes
    As several PROFESSIONAL members have said - FIX THE PROBLEM ! No matter what the local codes, EPA laws, or Montreal Protocal say, you have a leak. It won't get any cheaper if you bandage the problem. Labor is going up -materials are going up- the cost of freon is going up - the price of a new system is going up. The sooner you fix the old system or replace to a new system, the less money you will spend in the long run. We all hate spending money on intangibles like comfort, a new roof, or tires on the car, but the dollars will continue to flow out of the check book if you don't fix the problem now. I feel your pain. Seek a professional.
    Instead of learning the tricks of the trade, learn the trade.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    7,680
    Post Likes
    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    The question is, should you keep having techs add gas to it, or bite the bullet and repair or replace it so you have reliable and efficienct operation.
    Yeah yeah, I'm hip

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    35 miles from Tunica (casinos)
    Posts
    152
    Post Likes

    Refrigerant Leak?

    I concur with fix the leak.Period> My question is do you have a leak or does your unit fall into the category of not being charged correctly from the start?
    I find about half the no cool calls I make fall into the system having been charged with refrigerant using the beer can cool method. A year or two after the install and a dirty condenser,air filter,evap coil etc. will fool a lot of people with a set of gauges into believing a unit is low on GAS. Clean the system up and check superheat and you will know for sure.

Quick Reply Quick Reply

Register Now

Please enter the name by which you would like to log-in and be known on this site.

Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Log-in

Posting Permissions

  • You may post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •