York start-up

[NINAX]

I'm working on a job that has a new York YCIV chiller going in. It's suppose to have a LON interface. The question is, who'll do the start-up, a York guy because they're the chiller people but can't do controls (as explained to me), or a JCI guy because they're the control people and can do chillers (as explained to me).

General opinion on-site is it will be the JCI guy. The local branch apparently indicated the chiller start-up isn't that difficult, the controls are. The units are ready to go when they show up, and they have a solid warranty. For real?

[flange]

The lon interface allows the controls guy to "see" the panel from the front end. Thi doesnt necessarily mean that the controls guy is ready to start a chiller. I believe right now the old York branches are under the JCI banner, but are pretty much just getting started with the integration. I would bet York hasnt given up start up just yet.....

[jemawalton]

A chiller ready to go from the factory........maybe but I would be hesitant to push go until the York tech goes over it and checks the install, phasing, safties etc. Call me old fashioned.

[RoadRunner]

I'm working on a job that has a new York YCIV chiller going in. It's suppose to have a LON interface. The question is, who'll do the start-up, a York guy because they're the chiller people but can't do controls (as explained to me), or a JCI guy because they're the control people and can do chillers (as explained to me).

General opinion on-site is it will be the JCI guy. The local branch apparently indicated the chiller start-up isn't that difficult, the controls are. The units are ready to go when they show up, and they have a solid warranty. For real?

The York interface you speak of will either be a MicroGateway or the new version called an E-Link. Both have a QuickStart setup that has to be perfomed and then should start talking to your third party..via Lon. I would guess this will be done by a controls tech.

Bill

[RoadRunner]

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[RoadRunner]

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[freddy-b]

If it were me and the control guy showed up for startup. I would escort him back to his truck. And tell him to have a nice day somewhere else.

[NINAX]

I thought/hear, from 'the street', the JCI Mechs are now the Tech-Mechs (chillers and controls) and they put the York Mechs on the smaller RTU stuff. Is this not what others hear?

[freddy-b]

I thought/hear, from 'the street', the JCI Mechs are now the Tech-Mechs (chillers and controls) and they put the York Mechs on the smaller RTU stuff. Is this not what others hear?

oh ya sure thing on that!

[dgruber]

freddy-b,

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I am always looking for a good seasoned,experienced, knowledgeable person willing to succeed in our always evolving trade, called the HVAC field!

[freddy-b]

Cool, I will keep that in mind. If I ever need to uproot.

[chiller32]

I thought/hear, from 'the street', the JCI Mechs are now the Tech-Mechs (chillers and controls) and they put the York Mechs on the smaller RTU stuff. Is this not what others hear?

Your as stupid as that rumor is if you believe that!

[Randy S.]

We have this "integrator" guy in the Seattle area who has a different factory jacket for each job depending on what kind of equipment there is. He's not so popular, except with the OEM factory rep he contracts to.

Have a look see at who is controlling the pumps and the tower. Have them commission their stuff so it works, and then call the chiller guy for a start up.
Then pay attention to how you valves are modulating. Start up PID's are almost always too tight. Nobody's chiller likes slam-bam control valves.

If you're lucky, the chiller control package will run the pumps and tower, with the house DDC just giving a giddy-up-go signal.

[NINAX]

Thanks, most of you, for your insights. This was just job-site chatter. I don't have a dog in this fight. I'll just be reading the LON.

You're the man.

[Zeus]

Your as stupid as that rumor is if you believe that!

A very insightful, articulate, well thought out response. I'm sure it helped NINAX out tremendously.

What other tidbits of genius to you have for us?

[chiller32]

Nothing but crooks, thieves, and liars come from Texas!

1) George W B ( retard/liar )
2) Enron ( crooks )
3) Exxon Mobile ( crooks, thieves and liars )

Shh! with your 30+ post count

[blue32]

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Your silence is deafening..

Btw be careful, man, the coyotes after you

[Randy S.]

One more for the crooks list:

LBJ.

[Zeus]

Nothing but crooks, thieves, and liars come from Texas!

1) George W B ( retard/liar )
2) Enron ( crooks )
3) Exxon Mobile ( crooks, thieves and liars )

Shh! with your 30+ post count

Dwight D. Eisenhower 34th President
LBJ and Lady Bird (already mentioned did alot more good than bad)

Howard Hughes
Stanley Marcus of Neiman-Marcus
H. Ross Perot

Walter Prescott Webb wrote The Great Plains and The Great Frontier
Fred Gipson wrote Hound Dog Man and Old Yeller
Dan Rather

Don Meredith
Earl Campbell
Tom Landry
Ben Hogan
Byron Nelson
AJ Foyt
Nolan Ryan

Companies whose HQ are in Texas and/or founded in Texas

SBC Communications
Compaq Computer
Conoco
J.C. Penney
Dell Computer
Electronic Data Systems
Kimberly-Clark
Burlington Northern Santa Fe215.
Texas Instruments
Clear Channel Communications
Southwest Airlines
Baker Hughes
Radio Shack, Fort Worth

Your right, we are nothing but crooks, thieves, and liars.

As for the post count......gotta start somewhere.

Do I need to continue your education or can I go ahead and dismiss class.

[chiller32]

Dwight D. Eisenhower 34th President
LBJ and Lady Bird (already mentioned did alot more good than bad)

Howard Hughes <-------- nasty and crazy freak
Stanley Marcus of Neiman-Marcus <-------- Business man ( liar/crook for sure)
H. Ross Perot <------- Business man ( liar/crook and wannabe politician )

Walter Prescott Webb wrote The Great Plains and The Great Frontier <---( bum )
Fred Gipson wrote Hound Dog Man and Old Yeller <---- ( another bum )
Dan Rather <----- News man liar for sure

Don Meredith
Earl Campbell
Tom Landry
Ben Hogan
Byron Nelson
AJ Foyt
Nolan Ryan <<<< all your sports hero's are bums

Companies whose HQ are in Texas and/or founded in Texas

SBC Communications <------- Crooks, thieves and liars
Compaq Computer <-------- crooks
Conoco <-------------------------Crooks, thieves and liars
J.C. Penney <------- crooks
Dell Computer <------- crooks
Electronic Data Systems <----------- crooks
Kimberly-Clark <------------------ crooks
Burlington Northern Santa Fe215. <----- huge crooks. thieves, and liars
Texas Instruments <------- crooks
Clear Channel Communications <--- huge crooks, thieves, and lairs
Southwest Airlines <------------- crooks
Baker Hughes <----------- crooks
Radio Shack, Fort Worth <--------- crooks

Your right, we are nothing but crooks, thieves, and liars. <------- I'm glad you see it my way cause I'm right "you lied in your post and so did I". I also happen to have been born in Texas.

As for the post count......gotta start somewhere. <--- ok I give you that one

Do I need to continue your education or can I go ahead and dismiss <--- you can't dismiss something your NOT in charge of I'll let you know when its ok. class.

Ok so not everyone is. but 99.99% are and that includes you and me.