If something happens if there is a fire,condensate leak who would cover it? We can't since we didn't supply it and your homeowner might not be too happy.I going to Outback and ask them "How much to cook my steak?"I brought it and I am looking to save some $$$ I just want a PRO to cook it.
It's NOT the BRAND,it's the company that installs it!!!!!
When it comes to warranty, the one with the most discretion is the dealer. You may have trouble getting a dealer to warranty a furnace that has not been installed by a legitimate professional.
I wonder if you can buy a house online and have some guys on the side install it?
never say never
First off NO PRICING! Maybe you should take the time to read the forum rules. No one cares what your going to pay side-job Willie for your e-hack system.
Originally Posted by jrongo
But I'm sure you got the information off this site on how to find a contractor.
I can't imagine why hacks keep coming to my house....I told them I bought the unit from ebay.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes...that way you are a mile from them and have their shoes
And yet smart consumers won't contract with someone who can't size the system and commit on paper.
Originally Posted by neophytes serendipity
I hope you were getting paid by the hour, and that you charged them for all the talking on the phone to the company and also to the customer.
Originally Posted by the_beast
True, but providing a professional presentation could overcome a lot of that.
Originally Posted by gator8
There are a more opportunities for a homeowner to use the information to install his own properly sized equipment, or for the low bid guy to skim some info, resulting in a lost job for the contractor that tried to do it right.
Load calculations can be provided when a deposit is given, or as a separate item that may/may not be credited towards the job.
There is a difference between a 3 line item "bid/estimate" and a comprehensive proposal.
This guy is doin what alot of homeowners are doing ! And he will get it installed one way or another ! If they couldnt get it installed they wouldnt be internet sales ! I have seen this in my area and he can save alot of money ! Last one I saw the guy saved a $ 1000 dollars . If everyone is against it why not post the companys names here and put some pressure on the manufactures selling to them ? Otherwise your just tooting your own horn with useless opinions !
My avatar is a picture of a Goodman Silencer .....These were commonly used in Goodman country ....Photos by hvac tech ( PaysonHVAC )
I'd really like to hear from anyone who bought their own equipment (from anyplace, but especially online), and hired someone they didn't already know to do the install. Would they do it again?
That would not be a good poll.
Not a broad enough comparison.
I would still eat the steak.
Originally Posted by everythingair
I did this, Bob.
Originally Posted by bobb25
I bought a 3-ton Goodman GSH14 heat pump from a contracting company that sells direct to the public. Not an internet site. I drove to his warehouse and picked up the system. The contractor provides the 10 year parts warranty. He is an A-1 rated supplier on Goodman's website.
I was able to speck out exactly what I wanted. I went with the 14 because of the Copeland scroll compressor. I got a 14 SEER/12 EER/9 HSPF (excellent performance numbers), a full 3 tons of cooling and heating btus, 3-speed fan in the air handler (you can keep that v-s motor), TXV, 15 kw strips, by-pass humidifier, and condenser mounting pad.
My wife works for a property management company so I paid their pro to install the system as a regular job, not a side job. This company provided a 1 year labor warranty.
I saved almost the current year number in dollars compared to a Trane 14i quote. The system works great and "yes", I would indeed do it again.
This is an unbiased response, to the best of my ability:
Whenever I've priced equipment online, including shipping, it's ALWAYS been significantly more expensive than procuring it locally (provided you do your homework, have a license, etc.) So, the cost advantage just isn't there.
Then there's support. Who's going to take care of this, should something go amiss? It may not be likely, but it does happen, and if you don't have someone willing to cover it, that also eliminates any cost advantage. Not to mention, how careful is someone willing to be when they barely can make any money on it?
If you REALLY want to get what you want, get an itemized quote. I've done this and it helped weed out the guys who wanted to screw me. I do realize these installs require skilled labor, and am willing to pat fair market rate for it, as I will for equipment. Now, I have installed equipment myself (got a license), but often simply don't have the time! So, be respectful of the trade, and remember, you get what you pay for, including the effort to screen contractors!!
In the big picture, you need to ask yourself, what are you saving?
Originally Posted by jrongo