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  1. #14
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    I think I'm leaning toward the Bryant. The difference between the XL15i and the Evolution 16 is very minimal (relatively speaking) that it almost seems like a no-brainer.

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    While I did get the cooling load at around a 4-ton unit, I didn't get a heat loss figure. The unit should be sized according to the cooling needs though, right? I guess the heat strips will take care of the rest. The XL16i provides 43k BTU/H of heat. The 3.5 ton (mismatched so who knows the capacity) now has been able to keep up with heating for milder weather but runs near constantly when it gets below 30 or so. I'm still torn between the Trane and the Bryant. I will request the VP IAQ with the Trane setup if I go that route. Also, I won't get the *40 AHU with the XL16i; if I can't get the *49 to fit I will not get the Trane.

  3. #16
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    Does anyone have any input? I appreciate the advice given to me up to this point and am getting closer to calling the gentleman back so he can come back to do some final planning and get the contract signed. I can tell you I'm leaning toward the Trane now. My reasons being: scroll compressor (no stopping to stage up), demand defrost (does the Bryant have this?), durability/reliability of Trane, Vortica blower, and Comfort-R. I'm sure the Bryant can match or even beat a lot of these features, though. Looking for any and all opinions since this is a big decision for me. I've made mistakes in the past with my HVAC system, have learned, and definitely DO NOT want repeats.

    Remember the cooling load was around 44k BTU if that helps with the advice. I will not be changing my lineset due to accessibility, the fact that many seem to think it's unnecessary and can just be flushed, and the fact that the comfort specialist told me he has had no problems with reusing linesets for R-410a.

    I think in the end it may just come down to whether or not I can fit that big 4TEE3F49 air handler in the basement. I've done some measuring and it looks like it will be a very, very tight fit.

  4. #17
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    Go with the Bryant, bigger difference between the stages, longer run times, better humidity control in the summer. Plus of course the Evolution control, you will know your static by just looking at the control

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    The Bryant has two compressor options one is the Copeland Scroll same as the Trane and the other is the Bristol. The Bristol is a two speed unit 1st. stage is 50% the Scroll is two stage and 1st. stage is 67%. The Copeland is the vastly superior compressor so that is a wash between the two options.

    The Vortica blower housing is not that big an advantage but the Evolution control is vastly superior to anything Trane currently has.

    I have sold both systems and was a Trane Comfort Specialist I now prefer Bryant and quality of product and superior technology are the reason why.

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    The Bristol TS is NOT a 2 speed compressor.
    It runs in one direction for first stage, and in the opposite direction for second stage.
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  7. #20
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    I'm not sure if the Copeland is really 67% or has a net of around 80% as I've heard. Single stage is still an option, but I'm looking to get a nicer unit. The contract is good for 30 days from the 28th of Feb. so I have plenty of time to think about this decision.

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    Our company was previouslly a Trane Comfort Specialist. We now sell Bryant and I have installed a Bryant Evolution 3-zone HP as a Hybrid Heat system in my own home. Couldn't be happier with the product. The Evolution controls are decades ahead of anything Trane has. Just the dehumidification alone is way ahead. The Evolution control can lock the system into 1st stage cooling for dehumidification until the RH comes down to a reasonable level, then let the 2nd stage cycle as necesary. I'd highly recommend the Bryant 288 model as it stages 'on the fly' by opening/closing a solenoid valve within the compressor. No need to stop/start the compressor to change capacities. This is the season to get the replacement done and Bryant currently has 12-months same as cash finacing. So why wait? You're getting the best price right now, don't have to pay for 12-months and you stop the utility overpayment right away with new, higher efficiency equipment. Why dawdle? Strike while the iron is hot!! No point in waiting, the price is just going to go up!
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  9. #22
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    I know it's the right time to buy with that $1000 rebate from Bryant. The price from this dealer is pretty good anyway. The 288ANA048 added around $900 to the cost though, so I don't know if I can justify this cost difference for the scroll compressor and a little extra efficiency.

  10. #23
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    Consider that the amount you mention extrapolated over just ten years is $1.73 per month.

    The Scroll compressor over the Bristol compressor alone is worth way more than that.

    The Copeland Scroll is a much better compressor; it will last longer and is quieter.

    I don't know about your climate but I have heard that it is very humid there in the Summer and I suspect also in the fall and spring. If this is true than a multi stage compressor is well worth the extra expense. Especially since it will only cost you what a large candy bar would and neither you or your family needs that extra candy bar each month.

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    == Never mind ==

    Found the dimensions I was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classical View Post
    The Copeland Scroll is a much better compressor; it will last longer and is quieter.

    I don't know about your climate but I have heard that it is very humid there in the Summer and I suspect also in the fall and spring. If this is true than a multi stage compressor is well worth the extra expense. Especially since it will only cost you what a large candy bar would and neither you or your family needs that extra candy bar each month.
    I am a little confused about the above statements. Being in the same area as Ryan and decided to go for Bristol two stage. It has a better stagging 50/100 % and as such a better humidity control and longer run times. Actually my dealer never even quoted the two stage scroll as he barely sells them.
    We only get high humidity in July and August. September and June are mild months. For example my Evolution system ran 66 hours on low and 23 hours on high in September and most of that was in the first week.

    As of the noise I also have a Carrier Performance Single stage Scroll (listed at 67db)for an addition and it make about as much noise as the 2 stage Bristol. (listed at72db).
    Is the scroll going to last longer because is short cycles more ?

    I can see you recommending going to a two stage from a single stage, but not going from the 16 Seer to the 19 Seer. Specialy in our area where we don't run the AC as much in Texas or Florida.

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    They should both have the same lifespan.

    The scroll system should be a little quieter, not having to stop and then restart to switch from one stage to the next.
    Won't see any real ROI in Maryland going from 16 to 19 SEER.
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