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    Let me also add something to this whole argument, about this War With No End stuff, something I dont think the American puplic has come to grips with yet, and is effecting us right now, but will cripple us and our children in the future.

    Look at this chart and weep....

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2187rank.html

    Roy
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    Quote Originally Posted by air311 View Post
    Again..yellow cake..al-qaeda.....mushroom clouds..they were all lies. I stated that everyone knew Saddam was in violation of the UN sanctions. But my point was they had to make up all these lies because Saddam was no threat, even if he was in violation. Americans would have never supported attacking Iraq if they didn't make up those LIES. But this is getting pointless, because it's impossible to rationalize with people who are set in their thoughts, and believe everything our president and his croonies tell them.

    ....typical cut and run attitude......you should expect absolutely no respect now so it's your way or the highway huh...everyone else is dead wrong your the right guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    Let me also add something to this whole argument, about this War With No End stuff, something I dont think the American puplic has come to grips with yet, and is effecting us right now, but will cripple us and our children in the future.

    Look at this chart and weep....

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2187rank.html

    Roy

    Us owing money to countries shouldn't be as much of a concern as us being completely debt free and all those countries on that long list then have no vested interest in wither we are around or not. Debt free as a personal standpoint is completely different from a political standpoint. Look at just about any party in our society (dem, rep, ind, lib,) There is only one that I can think of that would choose to be debt free. The others show openly that they operate in debt.....If they aren't in debt that's when you need to watch them and wonder why they aren't...Again my two cents......I hope we don't decide all this isn't worth talking about because we have different opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon3475 View Post
    Us owing money to countries shouldn't be as much of a concern as us being completely debt free and all those countries on that long list then have no vested interest in wither we are around or not. Debt free as a personal standpoint is completely different from a political standpoint. Look at just about any party in our society (dem, rep, ind, lib,) There is only one that I can think of that would choose to be debt free. The others show openly that they operate in debt.....If they aren't in debt that's when you need to watch them and wonder why they aren't...Again my two cents......I hope we don't decide all this isn't worth talking about because we have different opinions.
    I dont know what world you living in, but you and others need a wake up call....watch this..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u9x3tfE

    Roy
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon3475 View Post
    ....typical cut and run attitude......you should expect absolutely no respect now so it's your way or the highway huh...everyone else is dead wrong your the right guy.
    I'm not looking for anybodies respect, especially yours. Yeah, maybe I have a cut and run attitude, but so do most americans at this point. But we are all wrong, and you are 100% right. We should stay in Iraq, because according to you, if we don't, our freedom is going to disappear. From now on i'll just believe anything Bush says. Then I can go to bed at night knowing i'm right and can sleep good just like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by air311 View Post
    I'm not looking for anybodies respect, especially yours. Yeah, maybe I have a cut and run attitude, but so do most americans at this point. But we are all wrong, and you are 100% right. We should stay in Iraq, because according to you, if we don't, our freedom is going to disappear. From now on i'll just believe anything Bush says. Then I can go to bed at night knowing i'm right and can sleep good just like you.
    air, lets look at those who do agree with you. Hippies, welfare recipients, drug users, communists, socialists, anti American radicals, militant Muslims, minorities who vote Democratic, leftest Democrats, gays and lesbians.

    Nice bunch of "Americans". Who thinks we need to clean up the mess before we leave no matter how we got there in the first place. Most real Americans and not a bunch of whining commies loving hippies. I would choose to be with the red white and blue and not the crowd you feel comfortable in.
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    Nice insult.......we realy needed that.

    Roy
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    air, lets look at those who do agree with you. Hippies, welfare recipients, drug users, communists, socialists, anti American radicals, militant Muslims, minorities who vote Democratic, leftest Democrats, gays and lesbians.

    Nice bunch of "Americans". Who thinks we need to clean up the mess before we leave no matter how we got there in the first place. Most real Americans and not a bunch of whining commies loving hippie fagots. I would choose to be with the red white and blue and not the crowd you feel comfortable in.
    I know plenty redneck, white, big truck driving republican voters that feel the same way I do. Sorry, but the majority in this country want us out of Iraq. But you go ahead and keep thinking that everyone agrees with you.

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    Fellas, let's not forget the rules of the forum. Keep it civil.

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    We may have needed to do something but not whats going on now. A few planes and a week could have done all that was needed.

    When agreeing with something like we are in now in Iraq ask yourself if the cause is worth loosing your own family members. When its others you don't know, the decision to fight on is much easier. I wouldn't trade one of my sons life for the whole country of Iraq or any outcome dreamed possible.

    We are already beyond being able to ever pay back our debt without much higher taxes and a change in lifestyle which nobody will agree with. We can't afford to take care of the world.

    We are not at war we are on a peace keeping mission with no known enemy until they shoot first. I support our troops and pray they make it home but think they deserve better when it comes to justifying the risks versus the reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    We may have needed to do something but not whats going on now. A few planes and a week could have done all that was needed.

    When agreeing with something like we are in now in Iraq ask yourself if the cause is worth loosing your own family members. When its others you don't know, the decision to fight on is much easier. I wouldn't trade one of my sons life for the whole country of Iraq or any outcome dreamed possible.

    We are already beyond being able to ever pay back our debt without much higher taxes and a change in lifestyle which nobody will agree with. We can't afford to take care of the world.

    We are not at war we are on a peace keeping mission with no known enemy until they shoot first. I support our troops and pray they make it home but think they deserve better when it comes to justifying the risks versus the reward.
    I could have never said it better myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    I dont know what world you living in, but you and others need a wake up call....watch this..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u9x3tfE

    Roy
    Thanks for the link. I think many don't realize what we are going to leave our kids with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    We may have needed to do something but not whats going on now. A few planes and a week could have done all that was needed.

    When agreeing with something like we are in now in Iraq ask yourself if the cause is worth loosing your own family members. When its others you don't know, the decision to fight on is much easier. I wouldn't trade one of my sons life for the whole country of Iraq or any outcome dreamed possible.

    We are already beyond being able to ever pay back our debt without much higher taxes and a change in lifestyle which nobody will agree with. We can't afford to take care of the world.

    We are not at war we are on a peace keeping mission with no known enemy until they shoot first. I support our troops and pray they make it home but think they deserve better when it comes to justifying the risks versus the reward.
    Far be it for me to defend us going to Iraq. I have stated that many times in the past and I don't approve of the PC way we are fighting the war and prosecuting our soldiers for making errors in judgement in critical situations.

    Now that I have cleared the air I think and the majority of "Americans" believe that we cannot just pull out and leave it to Al Qaeda to kill off all those who oppose them.

    We need to stay the course with less restrictions and less rules of engagement so we can save American as well as innocent Iraqi lives over there. We will have some collateral damage in the process but that is the price of war. That's my argument to the cut and run crowd.

    We did that in Vietnam when we had the war practically won by the commie loving Democrats. They couldn't stand that so they sabotaged our efforts and then proceed to try and destroy the military and our intelligence organizations like the CIA, the NSA and all the military ones too. I don't like "repeat" performances by our commie Democrat "friends" and their supporters.

    Sorry if I have ruffled a few feathers here but when I hear "cut and run" it is like waving a red flag in front of me. We did it to our ever ending disgrace in Nam. "Never again".
    Last edited by glennac; 02-26-2008 at 03:20 PM.
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