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  1. #1
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    More shame for Trane

    Here are a couple of pics from an "upgrade" that Trane did. Now, Trane did use a sub for the electrical but I am not sure how much Project Management was used. And, was there any commissioning done? Since I am now planning for the rework I can tell you that there was no check-out or commissioning. I'll put the updated pics later. If you were wondering this was from the Trane office in Fresno, CA. Good news the PM moved to Simens in Fresno, CA. Good luck customers!!
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    Hmm ok your pics didnt have enough detail

    so whats the major problem?
    does it function?
    have problems?
    I have seen alot worse done by others
    this isnt a major problem,
    I would be very carefull how i approached this one.
    I would do my best to not point any fingers at anyone
    and just do what is needed to repair any non functional aspects of the controls
    If you cant cool it
    HEAT THE Hello out of it

  3. #3
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    What's the problem?

    Hmm, Well considering that the facility paid alot of money for the crappy work done and that trane put it's name behind it. I think that 's the problem. Would you want this in your facility? By the way, I do know the history about this and after spending 10 years in the controls business in new installation retrofits, I have never left a site with panels like this.
    If you didn't notice there are still Robert Shaw connectors from the old system with wiring to them. I think that the pictures speak for themselves.

  4. #4
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    >there are still Robert Shaw connectors from the old system with wiring to them

    Let's count the seconds till Rolo comments...

  5. #5
    Dont those mamac transducers need to be oriented to work properly?
    They Look a little upside down to me!



    Nope dont matter with these. I was wrong. But the panels still look like crap.
    Edit:The EP-311/313 incorporates a quiet low-wattage poppet valve and pressure sensor to measure and adjust
    the branch line pressure proportional to the input. This unit has no air consumption and is immune to
    mounting orientation or supply line pressure fluctuations. The EP-313 incorporates a manual override
    switch and, in the manual mode, the pressure can be increased or decreased with two pushbutton switches.
    This feature is most desirable for check out/commissioning and manual operation in case of controller
    failure. Universal 24 VAC/24 VDC supply voltage and field selectable 4-20mA, 0-5 VDC, or 0-10 VDC
    inputs ensures single unit compatibility to most of the systems. Unique steel chassis design substantially
    reduces the overall size of the unit and, at the same time, provides for ease of installation in a control panel
    directly or with a snap track. A precision gauge is provided for the branch line pressure. Rugged aluminum
    manifold, brass barb fittings, floating poppet solenoid valves, silicon pressure sensor, high performance
    electronics and a liberal two year warranty are some of the features which make the EP-311/313 the highest
    performance and the most reliable electropneumatic transducer in the industry
    Last edited by freddy-b; 02-21-2008 at 02:13 PM.

  6. #6
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    yes good EP's

    I must explain that I was not trying to ask for advise but merly to point out the lack of quality. The EP's that are installed are great. I might point out most are in the Hand position 'cause the system is not fully functional, again. The leftover connectors only have ground wires connected. Again, not the issue of not working, just bad install.
    We had another scheduled meeting today with the construction manager from The Trane Co., Sacramento, Ca. I called 2 times this week to confirm. Today I got his secretary.... He was out sick with no call to me or my director to address this problem or to reschedule. I will attempt to contact his boss again, Branch Manager, or the west coast V.P.

    Another display of blatant disregard for customers!!!

  7. #7
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    We had a contract with an unamed company whose initials are JCI to change out most of our old controls. Their best panel didn't look that good. All the old panels were "abandoned in place" and they were nice enough to stick a label on 50% of them to let us know. I wish we could have had Trane.
    Last edited by ZZZRSC; 02-23-2008 at 09:11 PM. Reason: spelling

  8. #8
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    More shame for Trane? Why so much "Trane" hate? Did they pass on your application?

  9. #9
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    there is a wire loose

    Quote Originally Posted by tudormatt View Post
    Here are a couple of pics from an "upgrade" that Trane did. Now, Trane did use a sub for the electrical but I am not sure how much Project Management was used. And, was there any commissioning done? Since I am now planning for the rework I can tell you that there was no check-out or commissioning. I'll put the updated pics later. If you were wondering this was from the Trane office in Fresno, CA. Good news the PM moved to Simens in Fresno, CA. Good luck customers!!
    Great pictures but did you notice the loose wire? LOL only kidding. But you should have known, 'its tough to stop a Trane' PM from doin a crappy job and moving on to so an even crappier job with Siemns. different name, same attitude towards customers.

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    Gotta love posts like that one. Blame an entire organization for a couple of bad techs. And that is debatable chances are this guy wanted a Caddillac installation but was only willing to pay for a Hyundai

  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by mustardman View Post
    Gotta love posts like that one. Blame an entire organization for a couple of bad techs. And that is debatable chances are this guy wanted a Caddillac installation but was only willing to pay for a Hyundai
    Bingo! as far as looks.

    Not so true for being non-operational.

  12. #12
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    agreed.
    rule #1 of controls - must work when done
    rule #2 of controls - see #1

  13. #13
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    paid for the chevy not a Kia

    We paid for the Chevy not the Caddy. Also, No I was with Trane for awhile but decided to leave when I had no support in the branch or at the West coast level. I kind of works I suppose 50% of the time.... See when you install a jobint he middle of summer why would you check the heating side?
    As I have said I have been on the installation side and have had the ability to do crappy work. I have worked to install working systems that also look good. Why spend the time. Your rep follows you. This was a crap install and should be known as such.

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