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    NATE Heat Pump Test

    I took and passed the NATE gas service exam last month, talk about ambiguous questions! I am taking the NATE heat pump service this coming week, any pointers?

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    Congratulations, You're doing better than most techs.

    Try looking through the NATE Reference Manual if you have one, check out the section on calculating COP's and EER's, you may also want to look at the compressor motor section and look at how the current and potential relays wire up.

    Good Luck, If you past this test you'll get certification for A/C service also.
    "You do not merely want to be considered just the best of the best. You want to be considered the only ones who do what you do.".... Jerry Garcia
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbf View Post
    Congratulations, You're doing better than most techs.

    Try looking through the NATE Reference Manual if you have one, check out the section on calculating COP's and EER's, you may also want to look at the compressor motor section and look at how the current and potential relays wire up.

    Good Luck, If you past this test you'll get certification for A/C service also.

    Thanks, I have the DeWalt HVAC tech Nate certification book and have also been studying from Troubleshooting and Servicing heat Pumps by ESCO Press and the Modern Refrigeration and Air Conditioning book by Althouse, Turnquist and Bracciano.

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    I think the NATE test is a fairly accurate gauge overall, and probably serves its intended purpose well. It is however a money-grubbing institution, and I wouldn't take the test if I wasn't requried to, and wouldn't take it at all if I had to foot the bill. There is one and only one purpose for expiration of a certification, and it isn't because they think you might forget how to do your job in the interim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacrmedic View Post
    There is one and only one purpose for expiration of a certification, and it isn't because they think you might forget how to do your job in the interim.
    Yes, it is very annoying. Even with not having to take the test again, assuming you get the 60 CEU credits, it is $55 per specialization.
    Last edited by mark beiser; 02-09-2008 at 09:57 PM.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Yep, their game plan doesn't add up. Pay again, xor get some credits. Equal reward either way.

    When mine expires will the certificate and scores that they mailed me self destruct?

    In your opinion, does the statement "I passed the NATE test with a 98% but let the certificate expire" carry less weight than the statement "I'm currently NATE certified, but almost failed the test" ? I think once is enough. The purpose has already been served.

    I do recommend some sort of "proof" of proficiency however, whether it be NATE or some other source for anyone in someone elses employ. Even if it doesn't automatically guarantee that a tech is an expert, it does prove to their employer that they aren't completely ignorant about what they do. That should be sufficient to set them apart from the large number of so-called techs out there who truly are clueless. And unfortunately there are a lot of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark beiser View Post
    Yes, it is very annoying. Even with not having to take the test again, assuming you get the 60 CEU credits, it is $55 per specialization.
    The RSES CM test carries more density pertaining to a certification, IMO, than NATE, albeit I am NATE certified and am pending testing for CM in March at the SWRA conference.

    I took the NATE heat pump test over two years ago and did not find it too difficult. Some oddball questions...test writers must conspire at some level to require at least one or two goofball questions per test.

    BUT...having said that, reading each test question CAREFULLY just about guarantees a higher score, even if the question subject matter is not rock solid info burned into your memory banks. More than once when I saw what questions I missed on a multiple choice test, it was because I misread the question and my mind flew off in a different direction.

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    It's Easy

    Study take the test and pass Go and collect $200.00, seriously the NATE test is Cool I am having to get my continuing education hours done before it lapses I will get them done through online learning.

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    I graduated from college and they have never taken my degree from me, but Nate will take the certification away if you don't show CEU's. I guess we're not paying enough. Yes that is annoying and I wish they would change that.
    And Shophound, note that RSES can take away the CM status if you lapse your membership. Good luck on your CM test

    RSES CM and Specialists tests are the tops as far as I'm concerned. They really test your knowledge
    Learning is a lifelong process

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    the fact that you pass any test nate or what ever is in its self all you need. This can not be taken away by some greedy rule.

    read up on airflo also. This is a big part on all the nate certs

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    From my perspective, if you make the CEU's, there should be a minimal fee to renew your certificate, I agree, that price is a little high. The cost of producing, packaging, advertising, administering, and overall overhead are real, just like they are for your business. I dont have a beef with the cost of the initial test. They dont have other income sources like training or annual dues. Industry expences (NATE, Liscencing, ACCA, ASHREA or the like) are all part of doing business, it's part of your overhead and ultimately it goes into your costs that are passed on.

    RSES is not cheap, but RSES has made no effort to get aknowleged by the public either, if they did, then rest assured, their costs would go up as well. RSES benifits, include a RSES credit card at 24%. Who's the money grubber now? Their exams are tough, well respected and they should be.

    Bottom line, both RSES, NATE are tools that support techs and their careers. Noboby owes a tech anything, he needs to work for it and earn it just like any other career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docholiday View Post
    RSES benefits, include a RSES credit card at 24%. Who's the money grubber now?
    The bank that issued that card with the RSES affiliation is the money grubber, IMO. I'm not sure, but I'm thinking RSES probably does not see much of that interest rate revenue. RSES is like any other non-profit organization; it needs membership growth and forms of revenue to stay financially viable. So does NATE (is NATE a non-profit?).

    It does not bother me that I need to maintain my RSES membership to retain their certification. The training and educational materials this organization has produced over the years is almost peerless. The people I find most active in this organization are the ones I'd have working on equipment in my own home, if I was unable to do so myself. They know their stuff.

    My last gig was at a fitness research facility. They certified personal trainers. For several years the certification was lifetime, but then changed to a time limit with continuing education requirements to retain the certification. The reason given is that the information for the fitness training industry is constantly changing and being updated, hence the need for continuing education to lend some form of freshness to the certification.

    It's hard for me to argue against this line of reasoning...in fact, I don't. It makes perfect sense that a certification carry a sense of obligation to stay current in one's profession, given the pace of change for our times. Not only that, it never hurts to review what one thinks one knows...having done so myself I had to realize there were "gaps" in what I thought I knew that, since being closed, has made me a better tradesman.

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    Check out www.natex.org nice contest and you could win a trip to the Superbowl in Tampa next year.
    Last edited by dash; 02-24-2008 at 04:26 PM.

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