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  1. #1
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    Bryant 265 vs Trane XR14

    I'm in the market for a Heat Pump and have settled on either the Bryant 265A or the Trane XR14.

    The Bryant 265A SEER = 16 HSPF = 9.3 DBA = 68 vs. Trane XR14 SEER = 14 HSPF = 8.9 DBA = 76. My house is 2425 and I believe the each unit is sufficient.

    It appears that the Bryant 265A is the more efficient unit but I'm not sure that it's worth the extra $1157.08. I feel like both dealers will do a good job with the install so based soley upon the units themselves, can someone give me any feedback on which model I should go with?
    Last edited by quemar; 01-23-2008 at 10:45 AM. Reason: To Remove Pricing

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    Confused Huh?

    No pricing!!! The comparison is incomplete w/o indoor units. It's Hard To Stop A TRANE

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    Confused Oops!!

    Sorry about the pricing, this is my first time at this so bare with me. The indoor unit is a Carrier model 58STA/STX which is a single stage induced-combustion 4-way multipoise furnace. It currently runs off of propane which is killing me, thus the heat pump.

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    We've installed both Bryant and Trane. IMO, Bryant is the better product at this time. You'll get what you pay for.
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    First off, that Trane ain't getting any 14 SEER with a Carrier standard blower. You would need a matching Trane variable speed indoor unit and even then you may not get 14 SEER and certainly not 8.9 HSPF.

    Same with the Bryant but even more critical to have variable speed indoors since it is a 2 stage outdoor unit. If you do try to use it with standard blower, they'd have to juryrig blower speeds and again you'd be far from the SEER you expect.

    Hard to get past 13 SEER with standard blowers. Virtually impossible with Trane, others can be easier.

    http://www.aridirectory.org/ari/hp.php

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    Hmm Additional Info

    Thanks BaldLoonie, I appreciate the feedback; however as I continue to learn more on this forum, your post helped me to discover that the coil box of my indoor unit is currently empty (no coils) so the install for both units includes new coils that match the outdoor unit that I decide to go with. Does that change things a bit or am I totally confused?

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    Once you get much above 13 SEER, in order to get the rated efficiency, you have to have the matched indoor unit, furnace or air handler. The X13 or variable speed blower motors use so much less electricity, the system takes that into consideration when giving a SEER. The XR14 will not get above 13 with your current blower. The Bryant may get a little better but not much and you won't get the advantages of that unit with standard blower.

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    Hmm

    So should I be looking at 13 SEER units only?

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    In Trane, probably so. Only advantage to 14 SEER is most sizes have scroll compressors, which is current technology. Most 13 SEER units have the old recip compressors. Trane has a problem you might want to consider, low heating output compared to what you'd expect. For the most part, their heat pumps put out about 1/2 ton less than the model # would lead you to believe and this problem is worse in dual fuel. A "036" which you'd expect to be a 3 ton may put out only 30,000-31,000 BTU where most brands would be close to 36,000 BTU.

    There are other brands that can get 14 SEER with your existing furnace and can give you the full capacity which means warmer air and lower costs.

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    What is the model number of the trane equipment?
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    XR14 / Model # 4TWR4042C.

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    Confused Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by skippedover View Post
    We've installed both Bryant and Trane. IMO, Bryant is the better product at this time. You'll get what you pay for.
    Why at this time is the Bryant better? Is it the All-Aluminum Spine-Fin coil? (oops, that's TRANE ) or is it the orange compressor that has the RotoLok fittings for easy changeouts if needed? (oops, TRANE again ) or the baked on powderpaint & Duratuf base pan, both rust resistant? (darn..that is TRANE) ) Ask about the SEET Lab in Tyler, TX and then do some comparisons. Bryant might have a better profit margin for contractors, but better product IMHO, not at all. Whatever it takes..... It's Hard To Stop A TRANE

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    You might look at the amana line, They offer a nice 14 seer hp system with 10 yr parts & labor and life time replacement on outside hp condensor if the compressor goes out.This is the 14 seer system in r410a.
    rick

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