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    what brand of geothermal heat pump to buy ?

    Hi
    i'm thinking about getting a geothermal heat pump but have no idea what brand is best .
    i think about 36,000 BTU's (3 ton ) will do the job as thats about the size furnace i have now .
    it will be hooked up as Horizontal closed loop system.
    i'm looking at a Mcquay Geothermal Heat Pump, FCW-1036.
    any one have any good brands in mind ?
    thanks

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    The unit you will need to consider is the unit your local geothermal servicing company installs.

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    Tied for first is ClimateMaster and WaterFurnace

    next I would say Florida Heat Pump (FHP)

    Check out their websites and you can find local installers.

    paul

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    Drop all your researching until you select a company. Then listen to what they have to tell you about the brand they sell. Then ask us for opinions on that brand. That's you best bet. If you ask the general audience what's the best heat pump, that's like asking what's the best restaurant in town or what's the best car. You'll get as many opinions as there are responders. The brand you settle on should be the one the installing company is familiar with and recommends. We install ClimateMaster and recommend them but that doesn't mean Water Furnace or Florida Heat Pump or any other shouldn't be considered. If it does break, who's going to fix it? Where do they get the parts? Where do they get tech supplort if needed? These are the really important features of selecting a brand.
    If YOU want change, YOU have to first change.

    If you are waiting for the 'other guy' to change first, just remember, you're the 'other guy's' other guy. To continue to expect real change when you keep acting the same way as always, is folly. Won't happen. Real change will only happen when a majority of the people change the way they vote!

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    I agree with skipped over. My company does a lot of geothermal installs; we also install our own loops. I sell the waterfurnace line. Pick a contractor and then ASK FOR REFERENCES! Ask to see the training programs they have for their technicians. Call the references and ask the home owners the questions you asked your contractor. Brand is not as important as getting a quality installation. I would not spend the money for a geothermal installation until I talked to at least three home owners with like systems who have had them for at least three years. I would recommend you choose a contractor who is I.G.S.H.P.A certified. A contractor who has taken the time to become I.G.S.H.P.A. certified has made a financial investment and time investment to become trained. Check them out at www.igshpa.com
    Again choose a well qualified contractor, brand is NOT as important as well trained technicians!!!!!
    Genius = The guy who can do anything...except make a living!

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    I agree with skippedover. Experience and service availability is the biggest part. As for brands in terms of efficency it is a toss up between ClimateMaster and Waterfurnace. The Waterfurnace Envision in three ton is the most efficent unit on the market but larger size Climatemasters just edge out the Waterfurnaces, but not buy that much. My contractor told me, between the two companies, it is who ever came out with the last model is whoever has the most efficent unit.

    If you are going with a packaged unit you don't have to worry about the contractor properly brazing and getting the charge correct but on the other hand they have to properly design the ground loop or your system will suck. Unless they are extreamly familiar with soil conditions in the aera then a test hole should be in order. You could do this yourself.

    Personally I like the Envision product. It is built much better than their previous genteration units. Just one thing to remember: It will get quieter as it gets older. The scroll compressors need some time to wear in. It is also slightly louder on low stage as well. However with everything inside it is still quieter than most every other system I have ever heard.

    One last thing: GET A TWO STAGE. The price difference is effectively nothing (1.3% more for my install).


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    Nice looking install. If you change the tap in out of your return plenum to a shoe-tap you can reduce the friction loss of that fitting. In my region it is CHEAPER to install the two stage. Demand and supply here gets me a lower price!
    Genius = The guy who can do anything...except make a living!

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    Quote Originally Posted by geodude View Post
    Nice looking install. If you change the tap in out of your return plenum to a shoe-tap you can reduce the friction loss of that fitting. In my region it is CHEAPER to install the two stage. Demand and supply here gets me a lower price!
    Interesting. My contractor orgionally quoted a single stage and when I called him and asked for a two stage he had to look it up. (He had just gotten pricing on Envisions and mine was the first he quoted but second he installed). He saw the price difference and before telling it to me he said yeah you want it.

    What is a shoe tap? But I am fine with the way it is. There is no noise in the return and with it running on low so much the velocity is less than 172fpm in the box and about 222 fpm on high. My 28x30x2" merve 11 has been in there almost nine months and still only adds .12" wc over the coil of .28"wc (on low).

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    A shoe tap in is a tap in that transitions with the direction of air flow. The suggestion was just an observation not a criticism. We install a lot of Envisions, we have ten systems in varying stages of installation right now. Once again, you have sharp looking install
    Genius = The guy who can do anything...except make a living!

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    The pricing may diffrent for your region. When I asked Waterfurnace about this, they told me that it was due to the fact that they manufacture a lot more dual capacity units then single stage ones. So we install all dual capacity Geo units!
    Genius = The guy who can do anything...except make a living!

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    Thanks geodude. I like it too which is why I posted the pic. I didn't mean to sound as if I thought it were a criticism.

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    what about a hot water generator with the system ?
    one dealer told me that they could sell me a tankless instant water heater and it would make hot water about as cheap as the hot water generator for the geo system could ... what do you all think ?

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    get the water generator and connect to a std electric tank water heater. Wrap it in insulation but do NOT connect it to electricity. Then run the output of the WH to the tankless. That way it will only heat if it needs to. For the past week I have had my water heater off. I am getting all my hot water from my HP. When it is not quite up to the challenge I turn my water back on. First a quarter power (120V) then if I have company I switch it to full power (240V). When I reserviced my house (400Amp) I anticipated installing a tankless electric heater. Haven't done so yet as I am assembling an air source heat pump water heater and hope to have that up and running this spring.

    with 410a your unit will make more hot water for you in the winter than the summer. At least mine does.

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