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    Bush acting like a liberal Democrat

    Bush has unilaterally ordered our nuclear stockpile reduced to 1/4 of the level at the end of the cold war. What a great message to send to Red China and a more militant Russia. He is a traitor to the conservative cause. What a sell out just like he has done to the Global Warming socialists and the illegal immigrant cause of Mexico. With friends like him we don't need enemies. Where is Regan when we need him?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071219/...uclear_weapons
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    Seems to make sense to me. From the article:

    "While the consolidation reflects the reduction in the size of the warhead stockpile, it also has been prompted by growing concern over the ability to provide adequate security over the larger complex as security demands have increased sharply since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    Some of those security demands have been viewed as far too expensive under the current spread of nuclear materials — plutonium and highly enriched weapons-grade uranium — within the complex."


    How many of these warheads to be reduced are from the 50's? I'm sure the oldest ones will go first. If Russia reduces as well it's a win/win.
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    I sort of agree wth Glenn on this one.

    But, I would not be so quick to lay blame on Bush. Congress has rejected Bush's 88 billion dollar proposal to study a new warhead that would give us the same striking power as we ever had with about one-tenth of the missle force or something like that.

    Opponents say... democrats for example... that this sends a bad message to other countries in terms of nuclear proliferation. Others like myself say we need to cut this budget, not to mention the security risk, by trimming and modernizing our forces.
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    This reminds me of the old bumper stickers that said, "What if there were a war and nobody came?" Apparently the mindset was that if we throw away our weapons and refuse to fight, the enemy will be so impressed with our gesture that they will do the same. Yeah, right!

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    I dont have a problem with this Glenn.


    The reduced nuclear capacity would still wipe out China and Russia 6 times over and aiming technology has made conventional weapon more effective. 2/3 or the nuclear triad belongs to the Air Force and security for these weapons and the delivery systems are getting very expensive. A reduced stealthy delivery system is better. Although the warheads have a very long shelf life, the propulsion systems don't and technology passes them by. The Navy's 1/3 submarine based triad is harder to target and more secure.

    What Bush and the congress has dropped the ball on is securing our borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Law View Post
    I dont have a problem with this Glenn.
    The reduced nuclear capacity would still wipe out China and Russia 6 times over and aiming technology has made conventional weapon more effective. 2/3 or the nuclear triad belongs to the Air Force and security for these weapons and the delivery systems are getting very expensive. A reduced stealthy delivery system is better. Although the warheads have a very long shelf life, the propulsion systems don't and technology passes them by. The Navy's 1/3 submarine based triad is harder to target and more secure.
    What Bush and the congress has dropped the ball on is securing our borders.
    Let me put it this way we had a cold war for about 40 years and for 35 years we play nice with the Soviets and they were always pushing our buttons and lying and cheating behind our backs. Regan came a long and took the gloves off and started Star Wars defense and the Russians caved because they couldn't keep up and we won the war. We didn't win by unilateral disarming and talking nice. Bush has destroyed our neutron bomb while other countries are developing it and now have it and all ours are destroyed. It just sucks in my opinion.
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    I'm going to have to disagree with one thing you said with all due respect.

    The Neutron Bomb was orginally conceived as an anti-personel weapon (and thus an effective anti-armor weapon as well) during the Cold War and, in my opinion, is a device suited only for that situation.

    Also in my opinion, our challenges today do not necessarily involve fighting a land war with a major power. The Neutron Bomb can be revived if and when we need it. We have no need to waste budget dollars on such a device at this time.

    And... before you say China... keep in mind one thing. While China's forces are strong in many ways, among the ways in which they are not strong would be things like amphibious capability and seaborne supply and logistics. In other words they have force but can't project it as we can. For now anyway.

    In any case, it is hard to imagine the scenario in which we would engage China on land... even if there were a tiff over Tiawan.

    In the situation in which the US and the world is in today, were we to employ a nuke we would want to do exactly the opposite of what the neutron bomb does, that is, we would want a weapon that destroys *things*.
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    i want more nukes..

    bring back Seneca Army Depot ,.......

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    Nuclear bombs were meant to be big erasers. We can put a missile though the front window of the Kremlin now and hit the dinning table. There is no need for so many nukes to maintain when we can buy armor and armored vehicles for the troops with that money and modernize the military to meet the terrorist threat that we did not face during the cold war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Law View Post
    Nuclear bombs were meant to be big erasers. We can put a missile though the front window of the Kremlin now and hit the dinning table. There is no need for so many nukes to maintain when we can buy armor and armored vehicles for the troops with that money and modernize the military to meet the terrorist threat that we did not face during the cold war
    I agree with this.

    I see nukes as an all else failed, retaliatory weapon. I don't think they are a creditable first strike weapon threat for the US anyway. If we have enough safely stockpiled to make Russia glow for the next thousand years, we are probably good to go.

    Our better focus is air and water superiority, intelligence, and a highly trained equipped and motivated boots on the ground capability.

    And getting us the hell away from being the worlds largest police force.

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