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    Quote Originally Posted by hvac_superman View Post
    Yea whatever. Now I remember why I hate ARP. I will just keep trying to lessen my impact on the planet so you can polute it. Would you mind if we put the dump in your back yard. Oh thats right we will never run out of land to dump garbage either.
    Classic tactic environmental extremists have used for decades. Someone disagrees with one issue, the extremist paints them as being in favor of all pollution.

    The growing preponderance of actual scientific evidence, rather than the pseudoscientific models that don't even give close to accurate results on known historic climate changes, indicates that the earth would be warming, even if mankind had never burned a fossil fuel.
    Oh yeah, and Greenlands glaciers have been melting since before the industrial revolution. The receding ice is even reveling the ruins of farms that date from the medieval warming period.

    As for the garbage dump issue, private enterprise has come up with a very good, very environmentally friendly, solution to that problem, and it took no government funding or mandates.

    It is called Plasma Gasification, and is being implemented in various cities about as fast as they can be built.

    http://www.startech.net

    As the technology matures, and competitors enter the field, the price will come down.
    Who knows, in a few decades we may even have small plasma gasification units as home appliances.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_fridge View Post
    Gentlemen,

    The name calling and personal insults are starting to get a bit out of hand. Please keep the discussion civil.

    For those of you who haven't been here in awhile like VietNutJim, the rules were changed a couple of months back. They are posted at the top of the main ARP page, please take a moment to familiarize yourself with them.

    Thank you for your cooperation.

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    Your are so nice and polite Mr. Bill thinks you really deserve the Nobel Prize .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post
    Your are so nice and polite Mr. Bill thinks you really deserve the Nobel Prize .
    Not a chance, I'm a conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VetNutJim View Post
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    Who the heck is this "Otto"???? I went back and read all the post here again and I couldn't find an "Otto" tha posted in this thread. Could be one of the posters actual name, I don't know.

    Hi Jim, My name is Otto, or better known around here as the bastion of Liberal politcs, Oloenneker. Nice to meet you.

    I hope this answers your query.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_fridge View Post
    Not a chance, I'm a conservative.

    Conservatives have also won the Nobel Prize in the past. Don't sell your self short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oloenneker View Post
    Conservatives have also won the Nobel Prize in the past. Don't sell your self short.
    Please name one. Well they would never consider the one person who has done more for world peace in the last 60 years. That is President Regan. He ended the cold war without firing a shot. He wasn't even considered though. LMAO.
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
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    Quote Originally Posted by oloenneker View Post
    Hi Jim, My name is Otto, or better known around here as the bastion of Liberal politcs, Oloenneker. Nice to meet you.

    I hope this answers your query.
    Your just a pretend Kraut, here is the real deal..lol

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Otto


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    Quote Originally Posted by MadeinUSA View Post
    And it is always ignorant people like you who post rhetoric like this thinking they are making a factual point.

    Say what you must, but at least I am interested in trying to help not hinder. Instead of spending so much time trying to debunk something why not take the time to try and care about something.

    Turning your cheek will do no good, so why do it?? You work in a trade where environmentally cautious methods are not only practiced but law. To sit there and keep bad-mouthing this is a slap in the face to all the HVAC professionals on here who do what they can for the environment.

    Let me guess. You just vent the refrigerant because it doesn't matter anyway???

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    Quote Originally Posted by seatonheating View Post
    Say what you must, but at least I am interested in trying to help not hinder. Instead of spending so much time trying to debunk something why not take the time to try and care about something.

    Turning your cheek will do no good, so why do it?? You work in a trade where environmentally cautious methods are not only practiced but law. To sit there and keep bad-mouthing this is a slap in the face to all the HVAC professionals on here who do what they can for the environment.

    Let me guess. You just vent the refrigerant because it doesn't matter anyway???
    And another one resorts to the tried and true tactic...

    Cluegram for you guys, many, maybe even most, of us that are big skeptics of the "man made" global warming are very much for environmental responsibility, and reduction of actual pollution.
    Some of us recognize what is really going on. In a nutshell, it is a socialist power grab on a global scale.

    Just because we disagree about one trumped up issue doesn't mean we want to poison the earth!

    By the way, in 1997 the Senate voted 95-0 that the United States should not sign on to the Kyoto Protocol because it would harm our economy. At the time, the Senate was controlled by many of the same Democrats that later made a regular habit of vilifying Bush for not signing it...

    And just a little FYI about ozone depletion. It has never really been proven that HCFCs contribute to ozone depletion.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark beiser View Post
    Cluegram for you guys, many, maybe even most, of us that are big skeptics of the "man made" global warming are very much for environmental responsibility, and reduction of actual pollution.

    Some of us recognize what is really going on. In a nutshell, it is a socialist power grab on a global scale.
    Yea, verily. In fact, there are valid reasons to reduce the use of fossil fuels, as one example. It's simply that Global Warming is not among them.

    I suppose I shouldn't bother trotting out the articles of just the past few weeks. Al Gore pretends they don't exist as I am sure many here will as well. Fine... but a little googling might... just maybe... bring you up to speed. Did you know that Nasa has adjusted its temperature records due to a math error? That's right, the warmest years on record are a lot further back now. Amazingly, this alone demonstrates how faulty the notion is that models are a valid substitute for true scientific testing - another ignored notion. Which, by the way, was the subject of another study just recently completed.

    A third study seemed to show that the stations that collect most of the temperature data were put in locations that were convenient to the occupants and not necessarily the greatest place to be measuring the actual temperature.

    Ice core samples taken from Greenland show the exact opposite of what Al Gore thought that they would. That's why he changed the labels on his chart before making his UN presentation. As a matter of fact, this data shows that it may be that an elevated level of c02 is the RESULT of GW, not the cause. Further, recent observations on the activity of phytoplankton and thier effect on the carbon cycle would seem to support that theory as well.

    The whole story is now crumbling as many of us have predicted it would. Here's a further prediction for you; five years from now all of the alarmists will have backpeddled to the point that the idea that GW is caused by human activity will be seen as exactly what it is - the greatest con job in history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieAir View Post
    Please name one. Well they would never consider the one person who has done more for world peace in the last 60 years. That is President Regan. He ended the cold war without firing a shot. He wasn't even considered though. LMAO.
    George C. Marshall and Henry Kissenger.

    Churchill also won in the early 50s, but it was for literature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrogdog View Post
    George C. Marshall and Henry Kissenger.

    Churchill also won in the early 50s, but it was for literature.
    I don't buy that. Churchill got his because he stood up to Hitler and he was not known as a conservative. Marshall was no conservative. He cut off all aid to Chiang Kai Shea and let all of China and then Tibet fall to the Reds. He was sent to China by Roosevelt to solve the problem over there. He sure did and about 50 million Chinese and Tibetans lost there lives and we lost about a fourth of the worlds population to the dark side. Then he got the Nobel Peace Prize in 53. What a joke. Henry Kissenger was not known as a conservative either but at least not as pro red as Marshall was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seatonheating View Post
    Say what you must, but at least I am interested in trying to help not hinder. Instead of spending so much time trying to debunk something why not take the time to try and care about something.

    Turning your cheek will do no good, so why do it?? You work in a trade where environmentally cautious methods are not only practiced but law. To sit there and keep bad-mouthing this is a slap in the face to all the HVAC professionals on here who do what they can for the environment.

    Let me guess. You just vent the refrigerant because it doesn't matter anyway???
    You obviously are unaware of the fact that making statements pertaining to an individual without facts does not make you look very intelligent.

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