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HI Deq1269. What is a helper ?, i've heard that in saudi the techs are indian and and asian and obviously come at a cheaper rate are these helpers skilled ? And out of interest have you come across or heard of any brits out there as fridge engineers/tech. Thanks steve.
Originally Posted by deq1269
The indians and pakistani's are somewhat skilled. Not even close to our standard of what we condsider skilled but not too bad. Their understanding of the HVAC trade is about 20 or 30 years behind us. They still want to charge a unit by feeling the suction line and most of them have never seen or heard of a vacuum pump till they come here. They are from a 3rd world country so they aren't used to dealing with quality workmanship. I try to maintain a standard at my base and not get into a "its good enough for Iraq" type of quality. They do most of the work but I have to provide the technical and quality control leadership.
Originally Posted by get the gauges
I have met a few brits here but not any in this trade. I am sure they are out there though. Aussies too.
[QUOTE=deq1269;1710461]The indians and pakistani's are somewhat skilled. Not even close to our standard of what we condsider skilled but not too bad. Their understanding of the HVAC trade is about 20 or 30 years behind us. They still want to charge a unit by feeling the suction line and most of them have never seen or heard of a vacuum pump till they come here. They are from a 3rd world country so they aren't used to dealing with quality workmanship. I try to maintain a standard at my base and not get into a "its good enough for Iraq" type of quality. They do most of the work but I have to provide the technical and quality control leadership.
I have met a few brits here but not any in this trade. I am sure they are out there though. Aussies too.[/QU
Hi deq1269 , Interesting to know. Thanks ,although i suppose you have to have first hand knowledge of an asians technical ability to judge them when i was in thailand on holiday i saw some thai engineers installing condensing unit at a seveneleven and the quality was as good as i had seen anywhere in Britain. With all the kit they have in Asia someone must be fixing it so they can't be as stupid as there dilapidated infrastructure leads us to believe,i do sometimes wonder why western engineers are needed at all in the middle east other than to supervise eastern engineers ,is this the case in iraq would you say, i just wonder if seeking a job in iraq as a fridge engineer would really mean a lot of responsiblity that in the uk would command an equilavent salary of $80k any way ,i hope not cause i wouldn't mind a stint myself just fixing and installing kit. steve
Last edited by get the gauges; 12-27-2007 at 05:38 PM.
Reason: swap dollars for pounds.
I have no doubt there are some highly skilled HVAC techs in the asian world. I have a great deal of respect for the Indians and Pakistani's that I work with but they are hired by a subcontractor and don't work for KBR directly. They are hired as helpers not lead hvac technicians.
As to your question about why the need for "western engineers" . Its not a "need". KBR is an american company that is under contract by the american government so they hire americans as well as other nationalities. Speaking english is a requirement when dealing with american soldiers and its a requirement of the contract.
As for justification of the $80k, although I have described the conditions over here favorably, it is still a lot worse than it is back home. I live in a 10 foot by 20 foot trailer not the 2000 square foot house I have in NC. Although the danger has drastically decreased since 2004 there is still some danger in being here. Also, I work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for four months without a break. I think all that justifies the $80k a year. If it was that great there wouldn't be 135 HVAC job openings on their website right now. So, a company has to pay a decent amount to get good people over here.
deq1269 , sorry i wrote £80,000 and i meant $80,000 for a head guy ,yes it's good money good luck and thanks for the info.
Just did (contact you by email), I am a former Marine and being such, I can assure everyone that goes to a Marine Camp that those guys will die protecting you as a civilian over there. I want to go if I can.
Originally Posted by arpa
Last edited by tonybert; 01-03-2008 at 05:45 PM.
The Best Marine.....
Is a SUBMARINE!....
Just Kidding. Being an ex subsailor.... I know what dealing with Marines are like and I agree..... They would look out for you like a brother!
I want to say I want to go.... but my wife just beat my tush cause I even suggested it to her!
I know .... It stinks.,.... but gotta keep momma happy! Otherwise life sucks.
Is Angier NC in the western half of the state? I am at the beach.
Last edited by Bubbleheadski; 01-04-2008 at 10:15 PM.
Reason: screwed up smiley
Its just south of Raleigh.
Originally Posted by Bubbleheadski
[QUOTE=Bubbleheadski;1718659]Is a SUBMARINE!....
Actually I did some time on an older Sub named the uss greyback. SubOps while in Recon.
Got my wife to agree on my going to Iraq but just don't want to go with KBR, my buddy over there says KBR sucks but the work is good and the military appreciates what he and others do that KBR says for them not too. Now if I can just find a hvac employer>...in Iraq
Try Mantech at www.mantech.com. Mantech hires HVAC tech's to work on military equipment and I think they do the embassy too. They pay ALOT more but it is hard to get on with them. KBR's contract is about to be divided up with two other companies. Dynacorp is one of them I think. I don't know when this is going to happen though
Originally Posted by Bubbleheadski
Hey thanks, tried mantech but no opennings. dynacorp is also good and have put my resume on there as well as csa and aecom. No replies back though. It's hard to get into combat zone unless you are military!
If I wasn't 52 I'd rejoin the Marines but close as I will be able to get is as a civilian working over there. Once a jarhead, always a jarhead!
MLK was a great man. He probably knew His mission would ultimately cost him his life
Originally Posted by ETenney
Well it seems as if every employer doing business in Iraq or Afghanistan has put hiring on hold due to a logcap IV dispute on the contract award. I have registered on every major site and some not so major and applied for hvac, facilities maintenance and electrical positions and get the same responce or no responce. "On Hold" or only taking submissions for future use. Man, thought going to a combat zone to work shouldn't be that hard but the only firm still hiring is KBR and from what I have learned about them, it is not a company I would be able to work for. I prefer actually working and doing what I write down to be billed, not going with 4 or 5 others to replace a fart fan and billing the military for time on each person!
I have a few friends who are working for KBR and their contract is almost up and none are renewing to stay with KBR, however, some are looking for another contractor in Iraq to go to work for. I want to go, am ready to go, just need help finding an employer who is hiring. Any help from here will be appreciated. I can send a resume to any employer either by email or postal service or if their website allows, upload it to them. Any employers here want to take a look at me? Thanks
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