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    Trane/Am Standard SEER 14 v 16 Eval

    I am new to this forum a residential heat pump customer in MA. Have learned a lot from comments on this site. Im aware that a heat pump may not be best for our area, but its what we have in our condo (2500 square feet, 3 floors). We are replacing our 3T system outside unit and inside air handler. Our most important criteria: heating, a quieter unit, and reliability of equipment and installer. Were deciding between Trane and Am Standard (and installers). Leaning toward the XL 14i/Heritage 14 (with variable speed air handler) and changing to R410. A few questions.

    1)Big price difference between 14 and 16 series, payback questionable. Thoughts on difference in noise levels between the two? Current contractor indicates that Trane 14i does well in a local town with strict noise ordinances.
    2)Second contractor tells us he may be able to get a "great deal" on a 16 SEER American Standard. Im always skeptical of words like this and wondering what questions I should be asking to be sure we are really looking at comparable equipment.

    Thanks for the advice and information.

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    I think I recall it being stated that the Herritage 14 uses a reciprocal compressor. The Trane XL14i would use a scroll compressor I believe. I'm not fully sure on this, though. Any one of the units you're looking at should be plenty quiet for most people.

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    The equipment is identical between the 2 brands. Trane gets the funky top and a better 10 year parts warranty. There's nothing wrong with an American Standard Hertiage over a XR or XLi.

    You'll get better heating out of other brands however. And while the 14 & 16 are fairly quiet, there are others even quieter.

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    BaldLoonie, does the Heritage 14 use a reciprocal compressor in all sizes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanHughes View Post
    BaldLoonie, does the Heritage 14 use a reciprocal compressor in all sizes?
    I don't know about AS but Trane's XL14i HP's come with a scroll in 2 1/2 thru 5 ton (2 ton uses recip)
    XL15i - 3 thru 5 ton has scroll (1 1/2 thru 2 1/2 ton has recip).

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    Both use recip 1.5 ton 2 on the 14. I thought the 15s used scroll at 2 ton but haven't checked lately.

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    That clears it up. Is it the Heritage 13 that uses a reciprocal compressor in all sizes or am I just mistaken?

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    13 A/C scroll in 3 & 5 ton
    13 pumps 5 ton only

    both brands

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaldLoonie View Post
    Both use recip 1.5 ton 2 on the 14. I thought the 15s used scroll at 2 ton but haven't checked lately.
    All 15i's have Climatuff scroll

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    Quote Originally Posted by second opinion View Post
    All 15i's have Climatuff scroll
    Well thats true today, but it wont be in 45 to 60 days when the R410A XL15i arrives in a showroom near you. The 1 thru 2 ton HPs and ACs will be recips and 3 thru 5 ton (yes I said 5) will be scrolls.
    If I understand correctly the XL14i will be shortly phased out as will the R22 XL15i. The XR14 will also have 14 SEER nonvariable air hander matchups thru 5 tons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelife07 View Post
    Big price difference between 14 and 16 series, payback questionable.
    Post model numbers of condenser and air handler for btu ratings and performance data.

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    "Post model numbers of condenser and air handler for btu ratings and performance data."

    Specific information: Comparing the XL14i: Trane 4TWX4036B1000A with a variable drive air handler 4TEEE3f37B1000A. We are comparing this system with an XL16i with the same variable drive air handler.

    FYI, we are replacing a system with a 21 year old air handler and 12year old heat pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelife07 View Post
    Comparing the XL14i: Trane 4TWX4036B1000A with a variable drive air handler 4TEEE3f37B1000A. We are comparing this system with an XL16i with the same variable drive air handler.
    XL14i:
    4TWX4036B condenser with 4TEE3F37 Air handler:
    35,400 btu cooling, 11.6 EER, 14 SEER, 8.7 HSPF, 32,000 btu heating at 47 degrees.

    XL16i:
    4TWX6036B condenser with same air handler:
    34,400 btu cooling, 11.4 EER, 16 SEER, 8.75 HSPF, 32,000 btu heating at 47 degrees.

    The 16i is weaker on cooling btus and EER. The 16i has a 2-stage compressor. Do you need 2 stages in MA? Is it worth the difference in purchase $$?

    Best to you.

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