14 SEER w/R22?
I'm replacing a 18yr old Bryant with a Rheem. For my budget, I'm looking at a 14 SEER and using R22 instead of 410. From what I've read, the only difference between 22 and 410 is the potential R22 may someday be hard to get. But, from what I read this will be 15 - 20 years from now, will never be totally phased out in the life of this unit and there will probably be other alternatives. Correct, of is it a mistake to go with R22? Thanks!!!
Certainly not a mistake to go with 22 in my opinion. When I replaced my system in 2005 I went with R-22 and I would do the same today.
BTW- The company I work for still sells and installs R-22 systems on a regular basis.
Originally Posted by mallron
Just a FYI.....Until the last two months I didn't see much of a rise in prices for R-22....The last time I ordered it.....it was up 15% and it's not even phased out yet. Just something to consider. Even though it isn't phased out for a long time doesn't mean it's not effected by the scare of a phase out.
410a has been proven to be a more efficient refrigerant than R-22.
Originally Posted by BigJon3475
R-22 is still cheaper than 410A
14 seer is 14 seer doesn't matter how you get there.
Originally Posted by BigJon3475
Don't confuse system efficiency, with refrigerant efficiency.
A 14 SEER R410a system uses the same amount of electric as a 14 SEER R22 system.
As demand for R410a goes up, it could go up in price. So for atleast a few more years, no way to know which will be the less expensive for leak repairs down the road.
To the OP. Nothing wrong with staying with R22.
Especially if your installing contractor is not comfortable with R410a yet.
Correct sorry I didn't make myself clear. The refrigerant itself is 2-3% more efficient then R-22.
To the OP I wasn't saying not to use it but up till recently when they announced a small restriction increase with the HCFC phaseout....I hadn't seen prices change much. I orders some the other day and it was 15% higher than previous month. It may go back down when summer hits again it could just be a winter thing. Sorry if anyone took it as you shouldn't get R-22.
However 410a is the future and R-22 will be phased out no matter how you look at it. But because it's in the future none of us can predict what price it will go to or when it will be more economical to go to 410a instead of R-22.
Just some more FYI:
"Under the agreement, productions of HCFCs are to be frozen at the average production levels in 2009-2010 in 2013. Developed countries have agreed to reduce production and consumption by 2010 by 75 per cent and by 90 per cent by 2015 with final phase out in 2020. "
I say don't be scared to go either route....the parents have had a 410 system for 10+ years now. If your contractor is scared of 410a then go with R-22 if that's what he recommends. There are even replacements for R-22......407-C is just one of them......however it's just as expensive as 410-a.
Last edited by BigJon3475; 11-04-2007 at 01:07 PM.
R-22 vs R-410a
I held off pushing 410a for several years, as I recall Carrier's long-ago foray into R-500. Let someone else be the guinea pigs. But, we are starting to transition to 410a in new sales. Here in North Texas, the price of 22 has nearly doubled in the last 5 months.
I'm betting those who recommend R22 today will have some" splianing to do ",as Rickey said to Lucy.
We have been sellng it since the late 90's,it's a proven product!
I'm trying to avoid the same headaches that R12 and 502 phaseouts created. As I look in my shop, I see 12-502-408-409-MP39-HP80-Hot Shot-One Shot-22-410a-134a-404a-and even a jug of 500 (still have three customers with THAT) and one sleeper jug of R11... My shop looks like an Easter egg farm. How many R22 replacements will we have before it's over?
I have no complaints with 410a, I was just waiting for the dust to settle, and the guinea pig era to pass.
Well I can speak for one system when 410a was a little child. The team from Carrier did a decent job on the parents house and it's been kicking 410a for over 10 years. It's a package unit also 12 SEER system.