Permanence and Progression--Kirk's ideas about conservatism
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    Permanence and Progression--Kirk's ideas about conservatism

    10 ideas about conservatism. Where are we between permanence and progression? We report, you decide....

    This is a list of what Russell Kirk considered to be 10 of the fundamental ideas of conservatism.
    1. There exists an enduring moral order.
    2. The conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity.
    3. They believe in what may be called the principle of prescription—that is, things established by immemorial usage. Conservatives argue that we are unlikely, we moderns, to make any brave new discoveries in morals or politics or taste.
    4. They are guided by their principle of prudence, acting after sufficient reflection, having weighed the consequences.
    5. They pay attention to the principle of variety-- that diversity survives amidst orders and classes, differences in material conditions, and amid many sorts of inequality.
    6. They are chastened by their principle of imperfectability, that promises of the perfection of man and of society have converted a great part of the twentieth-century into a terrestrial hell.
    7. They are persuaded that freedom and property are closely related.
    8. They uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism.
    9. They perceive the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions.
    And lastly, 10. They understand that permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled in a vigorous society.



    The great line of demarcation in modern politics, Eric Voegelin used to point out, is not a division between liberals on one side and totalitarians on the other. No, on one side of that line are all those men and women who fancy that the temporal order is the only order, and that material needs are their only needs, and that they may do as they like with the human patrimony. On the other side of that line are all those people who recognize an enduring moral order in the universe, a constant human nature, and high duties toward the order spiritual and the order temporal.
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    Kirk raises his ugly head again.

    The 10 commandments.
    Well the first one he snagged from Immanuel Kant but none of us live in a vacuum so ok. For there to exist "an enduring moral order" would presuppose no sociopaths exist. But what's worse is while it's a statement it's placement in his commandments comes across as a premise for an argument. Where if you accept the premise his conclution will follow.

    What Kirk didn't tell you is what he really belives is not his mission statement.

    Kirk belives in a small rulling elete ( which I doubt anyone on ARP will ever belong to.
    Education is primarly for the elite.
    Having a small middle class consisting mostly of merchants and educators.
    A large poor working class.

    It's the 1800's all over again. Run away capitalism.

    Kirk wasn't a conservative, he was an elitest. I sometimes think the last conservative was Goldwater.
    When he talks of acting with prudence the neo-cons are quick to point fingers at the dems and shout "Tax and spend democrats!!" But the new conservatives are Borrow and Spend. At least the dems figgured out a way to pay for it while the neo-cons just pass it on to another generation.

    What's missing is commonwealth. What we all hold in common. Both the Kerk conservatives and the Libertarians arn't far from each other.
    Privatize, Privatize, Privatize.
    Abandon commonwealth

    This list is an attempt to white wash an elitest who has nothing but contempt for America, it's commonwealth and it's middleclass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    Kirk raises his ugly head again.

    The 10 commandments.
    Well the first one he snagged from Immanuel Kant but none of us live in a vacuum so ok. For there to exist "an enduring moral order" would presuppose no sociopaths exist. But what's worse is while it's a statement it's placement in his commandments comes across as a premise for an argument. Where if you accept the premise his conclution will follow.

    What Kirk didn't tell you is what he really belives is not his mission statement.

    Kirk belives in a small rulling elete ( which I doubt anyone on ARP will ever belong to.
    Education is primarly for the elite.
    Having a small middle class consisting mostly of merchants and educators.
    A large poor working class.

    It's the 1800's all over again. Run away capitalism.

    Kirk wasn't a conservative, he was an elitest. I sometimes think the last conservative was Goldwater.
    When he talks of acting with prudence the neo-cons are quick to point fingers at the dems and shout "Tax and spend democrats!!" But the new conservatives are Borrow and Spend. At least the dems figgured out a way to pay for it while the neo-cons just pass it on to another generation.

    What's missing is commonwealth. What we all hold in common. Both the Kerk conservatives and the Libertarians arn't far from each other.
    Privatize, Privatize, Privatize.
    Abandon commonwealth

    This list is an attempt to white wash an elitest who has nothing but contempt for America, it's commonwealth and it's middleclass.
    Thank God someone said it. Where he saw a default to prescription, I read it as "conservatives really have a fear of change". But I am reading into it that neocons behave as though they are conservative. The point then comes where the term should be abandoned--unless you mean to say that they keep, or conserve to the point of narrow self-interest. It does seem rather narrow, doesn't it?
    I'll give a funny example of what we seem to agree on--enjoy!
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north515.html
    Last edited by The Doctor; 11-05-2007 at 10:00 PM. Reason: posted link to the north article
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