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    Quote Originally Posted by sysint View Post
    Exodus 32:4 And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf.
    Then they said, “This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!”
    5 So when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made a proclamation and said, “Tomorrow is a feast to the LORD.”
    --NKJV


    30 Now it came to pass on the next day that Moses said to the people, “You have committed a great sin. So now I will go up to the LORD; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.” ---NKJV

    Aaron was simply taking a pagan symbol and making it a festival honoring the God that brought them out of Egypt. ...you know, the true god, the LORD [Yahweh]
    There ya go, a classic example of people, redefining the true God as a figment of their own imagination. They create an object and declair it as God--the God their own mind concieves. Their motive was to give credit to a god they could understand, rather than the God revealing Himself. This is not the same thing as a festival to God, celebrating Him, with Icons involved that some folks, somewhere along the line, once worshipped.


    Like I said, the difference is between the Christian worshipping in spirit and truth, and the acts of worship by the occult. The occult can't see the difference, thats why when they try to immitate christianity, they don't realize how many people they're really not fooling, but they are obviouse.


    The occult also worships the goddess of firtility, useing the male sex organ in worship of her. I hope you leave yours home when you go to church, otherwise you are worshipping your god in the presence of an occult symbol of Ashera.
    Last edited by TB; 12-08-2007 at 10:54 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post

    Everything about the Christmas and Easter holidays is designed to be a distraction. That puts a lot of distraction between a lot of people and God. That is not a good thing.
    That may be true, but look around you. Can you name another time of the year where Christian music (carols), are played publicly, bringing the message with them? Is there any other time of the year where the message of giving rings louder through the social spectrum? There is a light shining through the confused season still, but it is being quenched.
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    14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

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    Wow....


    Just paging through this thread just reinforces why I am an Atheist...


    Thanks for the positive reinforcements....


    OK, Maybe I am not really an Atheist, because I do worship big volcano's


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    Quote Originally Posted by oloenneker View Post
    Wow....


    Just paging through this thread just reinforces why I am an Atheist...


    Thanks for the positive reinforcements....


    OK, Maybe I am not really an Atheist, because I do worship big volcano's

    Keep that up and one day, you will be one with the heart of the volcano.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootlen View Post
    You think He just at that moment dreamed up the Ten Commandments? They knew better than to craft that gold and did it anyway. He was reminding them constantly about who He is and the fact they owed their allegiance to Him and Him alone. The whole of Genesis is rife with His self-proclamation.
    You have serious chronological problems. When were those first 5 books written? When were the ten commandments given? Both were AFTER. What it amounts to "Fonzie" is that you are "wah, wah wrah wrong"... try that once.

    These people just came out of Egypt. They knew that calf wasn't God himself. They used it as a physical representation. How did the image become a calf? They took what they knew with pagan religion and adopted that into their worship of Jehovah which was unacceptable. This is off the principles of their recent experiences.

    After this situation Moses provided them with the ten commandments and they then swore to follow that.

    What you want to do is seek some sort of justification for you pagan influences in your celebrations. You are starting on the wrong end. Surprising to me that you accept all these Catholic driven celebrations anyway. You really can cherry pick what pagan and Catholic things you like to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TB View Post
    There ya go, a classic example of people, redefining the true God as a figment of their own imagination. They create an object and declair it as God--the God their own mind concieves. Their motive was to give credit to a god they could understand, rather than the God revealing Himself. This is not the same thing as a festival to God, celebrating Him, with Icons involved that some folks, somewhere along the line, once worshipped....
    I hope you leave yours home when you go to church, otherwise you are worshipping your god in the presence of an occult symbol of Ashera.
    Your fertility reasoning is too poor on too many levels to comment.......

    Scripture states they had a festival. And they actually did.

    I see you guys redefining God to your imagination with the Trinity. I see you guys redefining God with your pagan influences in your celebrations declaring that Jesus will accept that because of your MOTIVE. Well the motive back then was calling the statue JEHOVAH, and they started a festival to JEHOVAH. EDIT: Like today where people have statues of their "god" and call it Jesus. Do you have any Jesus statues? Does your church?
    Last edited by sysint; 12-09-2007 at 07:27 AM.

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    *double post

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrogdog View Post
    Yeah, unfortunately, the conclusion of such investigation is often "this cannot be understood by men". So, your quest for understanding is done from the start if, every time a biblical conundrum or conflict arises that one retreats to the "strange and mysterious ways clause".

    If I had a nickle, as the saying goes, for everytime that this retreat is made, well, I'd be in Aruba intead of speaking with you folks.

    If it's all about Jesus and how to live life, then a perfect God could makes things a heck of a lot clearer. Things that cannot be understood by men should not be in a communication from God to man. What would the purpose of that be?

    So, you say God wants us to digest his word, but then intentionally clouds things with things that CANNOT be understood. I don't get it... if you'll pardon the expression lol.
    Weellll...you are proceeding from a basic fallacy. You are placing yourself in a position to judge both God's intent and His method of communication.

    The reality is that He wants us to know Him, in a sense, "as much as we can." Can we fully know Him? No, certainly not. So, this could not be His intention. That leaves us with the assumption that he wants us to know Him in a way that is within our grasp. I believe that this is because He wants us to know His character and to have examples of the dynamic of the relationship between Him and His Creation, mankind. In this way, we can see the path that others have trod, and where that path has led them and where it Will lead them in eternity.

    Knowing that, and seeing that we cannot attain salvation by adhering to His Law, we instead have the opportunity of accepting the Free Gift of salvation, through the sacrifice that He took on, suffering for our behalf as an example of His love for us.

    So, He commands us to know Him as much as we can (Mark 12:30) and to love Him.

    No need to twist yourself up about why, how, or when. Just do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sysint View Post
    EDIT: Like today where people have statues of their "god" and call it Jesus. Do you have any Jesus statues? Does your church?
    No, not a one.

    And, our Cross is empty, becuase He has left it behind, conquering Death and Sin.
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    Hmmm. In a biblical sense "to know him' means to have sex with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oloenneker View Post
    Wow....
    Just paging through this thread just reinforces why I am an Atheist...
    Thanks for the positive reinforcements....
    Acts 10:34 In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. --NKJV

    Acts 24:15 having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, [that] there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;---YLT

    John 5:29 and shall go forth; those that have practised good, to resurrection of life, and those that have done evil, to resurrection of judgment.--Darby

    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. --KJV

    Phillipians 3:11 [to see] if I may by any means attain to the earlier resurrection from the dead--NWT

    Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. ---NASB

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    No, not a one.
    And, our Cross is empty, becuase He has left it behind, conquering Death and Sin.
    First of all, that's rare. I guess all that's left is to get rid of that cross as that is what you think the enemies of Jesus used to kill him and you are giving it top billing right now. Do you think the mall in Omaha is going to mount the gun in the mall the killer used? (same type of thing to me)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootlen View Post
    Keep that up and one day, you will be one with the heart of the volcano.
    He must be training himself to get used to the heat.

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