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    hot gas defrost systems and evaporator/piping stresses

    I just read an article about both the positive and negative sides of hot gas defrost systems. Regarding the negative aspect: high thermal stress on both the evaporators and pipes due to cyclic wide temperature variations, leading to the creation of high stress points, a possible source of leaks, WHAT SHOULD BE THE AVERAGE LIFESPAN OF THESE EVAPORATORS, before having to discard them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rackrookie View Post
    I just read an article about both the positive and negative sides of hot gas defrost systems. Regarding the negative aspect: high thermal stress on both the evaporators and pipes due to cyclic wide temperature variations, leading to the creation of high stress points, a possible source of leaks, WHAT SHOULD BE THE AVERAGE LIFESPAN OF THESE EVAPORATORS, before having to discard them ?

    I've seen coils last 20+ years - I've seen coils buckle in less than 5.

    I dunno...........does it make the average 12.5 years?

    Think it all depends on length of run, temperature of gas, differential pressure, defrost frequency and duration, store humidity, case design, and on....and on..an on........

    Don't think many here would be able to give you an "average" - too many variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markettech View Post
    I've seen coils last 20+ years - I've seen coils buckle in less than 5.

    I dunno...........does it make the average 12.5 years?

    Think it all depends on length of run, temperature of gas, differential pressure, defrost frequency and duration, store humidity, case design, and on....and on..an on........

    Don't think many here would be able to give you an "average" - too many variables.
    mt pretty much summed this one up.
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    "Most" coils should do alright with hot gas defrost. I have seen more problems or leaks created due to poor piping practices, cracks on liquid line elbows etc., which could have been prevented with proper piping allowing for flex and/or liquid line inadvertently being silfossed to suction(guarenteed to rip suction line wall eventually). 3/8" 90's should be avoided.
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    Whoever said this is being silly

    Thermal Shock? Come on now.

    The temp goes evenly from 0 to 100 and back - there's no thermal shock in that. The range with electric defrost would be far wider and the heat points way more concentrated.

    As something to worry about - this would be right next to Mars attacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackertech View Post
    mt pretty much summed this one up.
    I agree. Maybe the medical field should go back to heaters. Not!!!!
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    WHAT SHOULD BE THE AVERAGE LIFESPAN OF THESE EVAPORATORS, before having to discard them ?

    In 95%+ of the display cases I have seen, the coil has outlasted the rest of the fixture. Despite our techs wishes our company services many refurbished cases that still have the original coil but may have been reskinned, reinsulated, converted from electric to hot gas, R22 to R507 etc. and still the coil lives.

    One of the problems I see is that these cases were not designed for HG and the tendency is for the drain pans to freeze up whilst the coil defrosts fine. Adding a HG drain pan loop and required check valves would help. That or not rerouting the cases from the scrap heap in the first place.
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