Parrot -ice dual tank

[jman2794]

Model 2407
Serial 13518
This machine had leak at the sight glass of the left circuit. I replaced the the glass and weighed in the charge. Next I found a problem where it would not freeze the product not because the charge but because the unit only runs for ten minutes than cycles off. Not enough run time to freeze product. From what I could find on the manual it is supposed do this after the product freezes. The way it senses this is through a torque ratio sensor in the motor for the motor that in turn signals with a single for controller for each barrel and a potienometer on the side of the machine. I have changed the motor, board, and potiennometer on one side hopping to get it to work and than begin on the next side. No lick still doing the same thing. I cannot find a service manual in the machine only the IOM on it but enough there for me to figure what is next. Any help would be appreciated. I got this repair on a trade. They fix my welder I fix this machine so it's in my garage. 115 volt

[jman2794]

I have had this machine in my garage for several months working Ion it from time to time. I usually don't see this kind of barrel control and they stopped making them so I never found a service book on how to troubleshoot theses components. The components that work for temperature control or compressor cut out through the deactivation of the liquid line sol. Or as follow an auger motor with torque sensor at the end of the armature internal to the motor, next a potentiometer on the side of machine to adjust product thickness, finally a control board from parrot ice that take the resistive load of the torque produced by motor the setting on the potentiometer and than the board opens the circuit to the ll sol. And the compressor opens on low press. Cut out. Anyone worked on one?

[shellkamp]

Sounds like a similar setup to the frosty factory machine I've been fighting with. Do you have a brix meter?

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[jman2794]

I've thought the product consistency being the issue. No I have never had Brit ir mix product all the machines I worked on had pre made product at the bar. For this one I just dumped 3 liters of piña colada pure out the container no liquor in it. You think that might be kicking my rear?

[shellkamp]

Yes, even the mix itself can be the problem, make sure the brix is correct and go from there.

Parrot may be different, but frosty factory had you make a mix of sugar water to start up the machine to make sure everything worked properly. I'll dig up my installation manual and find that out for you.

Tech support wouldn't even talk to you unless you had the brix right.

The torque sensing feature should really only be for fine tuning the mix thickness and not really a huge player in the freeze cycle length, unless of course its not working properly.

Do you have a manual I could take a look at?

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[shellkamp]

How cold does the product get before the unit cycles? What's the suction pressure look like during the cycle?

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[jman2794]

How cold does the product get before the unit cycles? What's the suction pressure look like during the cycle?

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Okay I am going to clean the machine from the old product in it. I have the manual just need to paste it on here if possible. It was emailed to me.

[jman2794]

Well I bit a god mix of product now and the machine is working. I have messed with the controllers adjustments so much trying to get it to work that I now I need to dial in the consistency through the tach adjustments in the controllers. I also need to review the wiring one tank is not turning on the freeze cycle to the tank. But I am making progress. Without the help of the product mix rate I was about to give. I should have known better than that one of us or more has seen the issue. Thanks for the help. I really have not found the way to out the manual on here. I sure have tried. Thanks shellkamp for the help so far just wanted to post an update.

[shellkamp]

Well I bit a god mix of product now and the machine is working. I have messed with the controllers adjustments so much trying to get it to work that I now I need to dial in the consistency through the tach adjustments in the controllers. I also need to review the wiring one tank is not turning on the freeze cycle to the tank. But I am making progress. Without the help of the product mix rate I was about to give. I should have known better than that one of us or more has seen the issue. Thanks for the help. I really have not found the way to out the manual on here. I sure have tried. Thanks shellkamp for the help so far just wanted to post an update.

Hey man, that's great, glad I could help get at least one of those things going for you! Based on what I know, the motor should start by the toggle switches in front, unless they run that through the control board, too, which I can't imagine they would.

Is the unit going into "freeze" but the motor doesn't turn? Or is nothing happening at all?

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[jman2794]

Sorry I did not respond earlier. Just did not get the notification shellkamp. The toggle switch does bypass the board to the motor that turns augers. What i meant to say was that the boards were not turning on the sol valve at first to the tanks because I had messed with coarse adjustment so much on the board and the potentiometer on the side. I finally dialed it in . It took about a week. I have the machine working now what surprises me is that one tank the left one occasionally will not freeze. The right one always maintains a good consistency, but the left one I will dial in the correct thickness let it run than several hours later or the next day it will stop freezing product. The board stops sending an output to the sol valve so I know it's the board where the signal stops. It still has incoming voltage just nit the output. I actually have a new board from parrot ice in Houston I have replaced it but would do the same or worse. I went ahead and out the original board back in since it responded to me tweeting that coarse dial and would freeze product than I would dial in th e thickness leave it good but than this issue of not freezing any longer would restart. Hope I explained that well.

[shellkamp]

Sorry I did not respond earlier. Just did not get the notification shellkamp. The toggle switch does bypass the board to the motor that turns augers. What i meant to say was that the boards were not turning on the sol valve at first to the tanks because I had messed with coarse adjustment so much on the board and the potentiometer on the side. I finally dialed it in . It took about a week. I have the machine working now what surprises me is that one tank the left one occasionally will not freeze. The right one always maintains a good consistency, but the left one I will dial in the correct thickness let it run than several hours later or the next day it will stop freezing product. The board stops sending an output to the sol valve so I know it's the board where the signal stops. It still has incoming voltage just nit the output. I actually have a new board from parrot ice in Houston I have replaced it but would do the same or worse. I went ahead and out the original board back in since it responded to me tweeting that coarse dial and would freeze product than I would dial in th e thickness leave it good but than this issue of not freezing any longer would restart. Hope I explained that well.

Can you switch the left and right side boards? At least then you'd have a known good board to test your theory.

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[EugeneTheJeep]

Brings back memories of my short relationship working on sticky parrot ice machines. They were all filthy and the slogan was a delicious taste sensation, AKA a scuzzy taste sensation. My son used to get a kick out of my slogan when he was a kid.

[shellkamp]

Brings back memories of my short relationship working on sticky parrot ice machines. They were all filthy and the slogan was a delicious taste sensation, AKA a scuzzy taste sensation. My son used to get a kick out of my slogan when he was a kid.

Do you prefer working on a self contained reach in a greasy kitchen over these drink machines? Personally I think the sticky sugar syrup washes off easier than kitchen grease caked on a condenser coil. Plus you don't have to kneel down on the dirty floor to work on them.



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[jman2794]

Drink machines over greasy hot equipment any day no matter how much gunk is On the bottom panel. But they all the pay the bills. I have tried to switch the boards like twice at least and remember I had a new board too on that side. What is funny is that I can tweak the coarse adjustment on the board and will start up freeze work again and than like overnight it will stop freezing. Side note I have eliminate the defrost controller setting so that it does not go into defrost at all. Since the machine is only being used for residential get togethers it does not always work sometimes it won't be used for weeks. Lucky me I guess otherwise I would really be out of a butt cheek. At least

[EugeneTheJeep]

Sorry I just could not justify running out on 2 hour trips to fix one of those machines every once in a while, with no real parts markup. Plus the work is seasonal considering those machines are not used during the winter. In two hours I can be repairing a couple of greasy machines, with my knee pads on, and collecting the money and making a big markup on parts.

But what ever floats your boat I guess?

[shellkamp]

Sorry I just could not justify running out on 2 hour trips to fix one of those machines every once in a while, with no real parts markup. Plus the work is seasonal considering those machines are not used during the winter. In two hours I can be repairing a couple of greasy machines, with my knee pads on, and collecting the money and making a big markup on parts.

But what ever floats your boat I guess?

why couldn't you mark up the parts? Were they all under warranty?

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[EugeneTheJeep]

Pretty short lived experience, I was subbing for Parrot Ice not the store owners, so pretty much yes it was warranty. Besides in the North East, I am not looking for gas station or convenience store owners for customers. But I still do work on a few drink machines but not very often.