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  1. #1
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    JCI using FOIA strategy now?

    Has anyone encountered JCI filing FOIA papers to ex-customers via JCI lawyers?

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    Foia

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  3. #3
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    Freedom of Information Act

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    Use it all the time to get competitor pricing!

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    Of course, why price a project with real numbers. Not when you’re the king of Low Balling.

    You can be sure of one thing, on bid day Johnson Controls WILL be the low bid I don’t care who else is on the list or what the specs call for.

    That’s why I prefer negotiated work directly with building owners over plan & spec. I have no intention on taking a $ 500,000 job on the chin with the idea that I will make it up and then some over the next 5 years hosing the poor customer with a service contract that is probably at 80% gross margin.

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    How could JCI use FOIA other than Federal projects?

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    I agree in the private sector I do not know how they would use it. But I am no lawyer so anything is possible. On Federal, State or Local projects I could see them obtaining competitor pricing for automation & control, facilities management and performance contracting.

    Again if they gave legitimate pricing in the first place there numbers would be in line with there competitors.

    Don’t forget the federal government represents a substantial amount of JCI work. GSA, Military, NASA, US Postal Service etc.. That works well for them its usually low bid anyway.......

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    Where do you find the FOIA applies to other than Federal projects? I don't see that.

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    Saw it at two K-12 school corporations. They both left JCI after since the 2004 purge and went with another provider.

    Shouldn't FOIA Exemption 4 protect pricing from needing to be released?

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    Sounds to me like those districts were too stupid to write a letter back to JCI telling them to drop dead.

  11. #11
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    sys, It is the law, resistance is futile.

    I am asking if anyone else had encounter this, from JCI or any other competitor, and if they kept financial info from them using exemption 4 of the federal FOIA or local equivalent.

    In case anyone is interested http://web.missouri.edu/~umcjourfoiwww/citelist.html

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