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  1. #27
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    so 500-600 intial plus a nice room to keep it set up. not bad.

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    it can get a little crazy, i got a couple of friends that have 4 machines set up on a custom bench, each machine handles a different caliber and one handles 12ga shotgun.

    Talk about expensive, a decent shotgun (for trap or skeet) will run you anywhere from $400 to $4000, the reloader is a grand plus a boat load of powder (think about how much powder a shot holds?) sheesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzonko View Post
    While I agree 100% on the treasonous pandering to the Chinese by the Splooger, This guy (not a crook) opened the door to it.

    Sure, President Nixon kept the enemy close at hand. He also sent a couple of Americans to get their butts kicked in ping pong. Nixon knew that by letting the Chinese beat a couple of Americans in a game that Americans could care less about that the Chinese would never notice we were keeping an eye on them.

    Then Clinton and Gore come along and let the Chinese know that we can be bought
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    If no one has guns, gun control is irrelevant....

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    Quote Originally Posted by oloenneker View Post
    If no one has guns, gun control is irrelevant....
    And just how do you propose to keep guns out of a country like the U.S of A.? It's not like countries that ban guns don't have violent crimes using other deadly weaponry.

    GAD; today's liberals are just stupid. Didn't always be that way. If we have lost the ability to be both liberal and conservative at the same time on issues that are best served by the best attitude, then liberals need to stay out of politics and in the art galleries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oloenneker View Post
    If no one has guns, gun control is irrelevant....
    We're Americans. We own guns, lots of them. Some own more than others, but just about everybody has them. Its taboo disclose all of your firearms. Guns are here and here to stay. Deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oloenneker View Post
    If no one has guns, gun control is irrelevant....
    And what is next that you will take while attempting to control crime, every knife, then what, every baseball bat?

    Hey, when people kill with their bare hands being you have taken everything available to kill with, will you take people’s hands too?

    Back in the old days, people like you must have been real fun to set straight one way or the other behind the barn.

    What a fricking ignorant statement you made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whec720 View Post
    but just about everybody has them.
    Not everybody. What made you think that everyone has a gun? Paranoia?

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    Libs just don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oloenneker View Post
    If no one has guns, gun control is irrelevant....
    I suspect that you might have some thoughts on the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    Maybe you would care to expound on why that amendment made it into a bill of rights, and was not left unenumerated. Not left somewhere out in the cold.
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    The intent of the Constitution is something else that eludes libs.
    No reserve. No retreat. No regrets.

    For those who have fought for it, freedom has a sweetness the protected will never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oloenneker View Post
    If no one has guns, gun control is irrelevant....

    okay genius lets do this? Take 10 people, line them up in front of you. Nine of those people represent the legal, law abiding, gun toting public, ONE (#10) represents the criminal element.

    Now, take away the guns from the nine law abiding people?

    How have you effected number ten?????

    And you can't remove EVERY GUN from ANY COUNTRY, gangs and the criminal element WILL find a way to get firearms.

    The ONLY thing the criminal element fears..............is ME. The legal, Law abiding owner of firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    okay genius lets do this? Take 10 people, line them up in front of you. Nine of those people represent the legal, law abiding, gun toting public, ONE (#10) represents the criminal element.

    Now, take away the guns from the nine law abiding people?

    How have you effected number ten?????

    And you can't remove EVERY GUN from ANY COUNTRY, gangs and the criminal element WILL find a way to get firearms.

    The ONLY thing the criminal element fears..............is ME. The legal, Law abiding owner of firearms.

    Okay, now you're really stretching things. After all, libs cannot even define "common sense", never mind truthfully claim to have any.
    No reserve. No retreat. No regrets.

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