i myself am nate certified & am pretty damn good at what it is i do & learn more every day & i love it .. sadly just because a person is nate certified, it doesnt make him a better tech then joe jerkoff with no cert. all it is is a piece of paper .... some will argue but i seen it first hand .. i hope the whole nate thing is different now & i dont mean to start a debate or make enemys .. it just reminds me of the epa cert & any other cert that as long as u show up for the instructional part .. u basically pass .. my tech school was like that as well