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    Michael Moore

    I always thought the guys was an a$$ but this morning I watched Bowling For Columbine and I gotta say the dude makes some good points.

    I found it particulary interesting about the statistics he throws out about the number of gun murders each year in the different countries.

    I think Canada was like 65, UK 35, France was low and the USA was 11,000 something.

    I considered myself a Republican up until about 2 years ago when I declared myself "NONE OF THE ABOVE"..

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    If guns are outlawed , only outlaws will have guns.


    *NedFlanders 7-8-07 15:03 PST

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    Micheal Moore is a fat repulsive Socialistic Ideolog like Rosie O'dugan his twin

    Utttttt ohhhhhhh I think you're slipping away, don't fall for that anti gun crap .. ......

    Here............

    The Numbers Speak For Themselves
    Despite anti-gun propaganda, the U.S. murder rate is nowhere near that of many other countries.

    By John Hay Rabb

    Here's a pop quiz for you: Which country in the world has the highest murder rate? If you said the United States, you would be wrong, but your error would certainly be excusable. The incessant drumbeat from the mainstream media and anti-gun groups serves to perpetuate the canard that the U.S. is the bloodiest free-fire zone on earth. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    In his article "America: The Most Violent Nation?" researcher David C. Stolinsky shows conclusively that there are a number of countries with higher murder rates than the U.S. This information comes from the United Nations report "The 1996 Demographic Yearbook." The report lists the murder rates in some 86 countries. There are more than 200 countries in the world, and more than 100 did not provide murder-rate data to the U.N. Even so, the Yearbook opens a fascinating window on the failure of gun-control laws around the world.

    The connection between murder rates and gun control is quite clear. The vast majority of murders are committed with firearms. Therefore, it is possible to determine if there is any sort of correlation between gun laws and murder rates in selected countries.

    Gun laws, like all laws, should be evaluated to determine if they meet accepted measures of success. Gun-control advocates contend that gun laws reduce murders as well as other gun crimes. An examination of this proposition shows conclusively that gun laws fail to reduce murder rates in many countries. Therefore, they fail to meet the fundamental measure of success and should be amended or repealed.

    A 1997 Justice Department report on murders in the U.S. shows that our country has a murder rate of seven victims per 100,000 population per year. There are a number of well-known examples of countries with more liberal gun laws and lower murder rates than the U.S. One is Finland, with a murder rate of 2.9. Israel is another example; although its population is heavily armed, Israel's murder rate is only 1.4. In Switzerland, gun ownership is a way of life. Its murder rate is 2.7.

    By contrast, consider Brazil. All firearms in Brazil must be registered with the government. This registration process can take anywhere from 30 days to three months. All civilian handguns are limited in caliber to no more than 9mm. All rifles must fire handgun ammunition only. Brazilians may only buy one gun per year. At any one time, they may only have in their possession a maximum of six guns: two handguns, two rifles and two shotguns. To transport their guns, citizens must obtain a special police permit. CCW permits are available but are rarely issued.

    Therefore, it should not be a revelation to anyone that Brazil has a thriving black market in guns. Virtually any type of gun is available, for a price. Incidentally, Brazil's murder rate is 19 victims per 100,000 population per year.

    In Cuba, Fidel Castro controls every aspect of life with an iron hand, including gun ownership. Castro remembers well how he and his rag-tag armed Communist rebels overthrew the government of Fulgencio Batista and set up a Communist dictatorship. An armed populace is threatening to a repressive government. Still, somebody in Cuba is obtaining guns and using them to murder fellow citizens. Cuba's murder rate is 7.8.

    The former Soviet state of Lithuania is now an independent democratic country. But it still retains some vestiges of Stalinism. Lithuania's citizens must obtain a police permit to buy a gun. All guns are registered with the government. Somehow these restrictions are not deterring the criminal element; Lithuania has an unenviable murder rate of 11.7.

    Gun control in Mexico is a fascinating case study. Mexican gun laws are simply draconian. No civilian may own a gun larger than .22 caliber, and a permit is required to buy one. All guns in Mexico are registered with the Ministry Of Defense. Guns may not be carried in public, either openly or concealed.

    Mexican authorities seem to take a particular delight in arresting and imprisoning unwitting Americans who are not familiar with Mexican gun laws. Americans may not bring legal guns or ammunition into Mexico. Possession of even one bullet can get you thrown in a medieval Mexican prison. The State Department says that at any one time there are about 80 Americans imprisoned in Mexico for minor gun crimes. The State Department even went so far as to issue a special notice to U.S. gun owners, warning about harsh Mexican gun laws. Americans are allowed to hunt in Mexico, but they must first obtain a permit from the Mexican Embassy or a Mexican Consulate before taking their hunting rifles south of the border.

    Mexico's murder rate is an eye-popping 17.5. Mexican authorities are fond of blaming the high murder rate on firearms smuggled across the border from the United States. Nonsense. The U.S. has many more personal guns than Mexico, yet our murder rate is far lower than Mexico's. It is Mexico's absurd gun laws that prevent law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves against illegally armed criminals.

    Guns are effectively outlawed in Russia. Private handgun ownership is totally prohibited. A permit is required to purchase a long gun. All guns are registered with authorities. When transporting a long gun, it must be disassembled. Long guns may only be used for self-defense when the gun owner is on his own property. By the way, Russia's murder rate is a staggering 30.6.

    It is surprising to learn that there is gun trouble in the tropical paradises of Trinidad and Tobago. Here a permit is required to purchase a gun. All guns are registered with the police. In spite of (or perhaps because of) these restrictions, Trinidad and Tobago together have a murder rate of 11.7.

    In all fairness, it must be noted that many of the countries with high murder rates have governments and cultures very different from our own. Even so, the fundamental measure of gun-control success still applies. The countries I have discussed, along with many others, have gun laws that are more restrictive than U.S. laws, yet their murder rates exceed the U.S. murder rate. These laws clearly do not meet the fundamental measure of success, which is ultimately to save lives.

    What anti-gunners all over the world fail to understand is that people everywhere are basically the same in one important respect. They are determined to protect themselves and their families. If their governments will not allow them to have firearms for self-defense, then they may obtain guns illegally, even at the risk of harsh punishment. It is a natural human response to danger.

    Try as they might, Sarah Brady and her bunch will never be able to defeat man's primal instinct to protect himself and his family through whatever means necessary. This fundamental human truth may offer some small measure of comfort to law-abiding gun owners around the world.
    Last edited by Roscoe; 07-08-2007 at 06:14 PM. Reason: just for clarification a Dugan is a turd

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    Quote Originally Posted by NedFlanders View Post
    If guns are outlawed , only outlaws will have guns.


    *NedFlanders 7-8-07 15:03 PST

    I don't think the video was anti-gun whatsoever... What he was saying is that FEAR propagated through our news channels and leaders is what the real enemy is.

    He went to great lenghts to say that Canada has many many gun owners but they don't use them to kill people.. why is that he was asking.

    I'm not anti gun but you have to ask yourself... Why can Tupac buy a tec9???

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    Roscoe,

    I read that article... And it did nothing for me.

    The MM movie compared our murder rates to Canada, UK and France..

    Your article compared us to Trinadad, Cuba, Mexico and Russia..... Do you really think these are equal comparisons?

    And I really don't get what point that they are trying to make in that article?? MM wasn't trying to say the America is the most murderous country and it wasn't even an antigun movie. It was asking why we are so eager o use our guns.

    I would say the only thing that is antigun about the movie is that they question what a tec9 is used for??

    I think that some Americans hold onto the idea that if we have guns that we can overthrow the government if things get too far out of hand.. I beg to differ. I own a 30-30, 12ga, 22 semi and a 357mag.... lets take 100,000 people just like me and band them together on a mountain, what can we do when 50 tanks come at us with aircraft overhead dropping bombs and all that good stuff??

    Don't compare us to the tribes in Afganistan because they would whoop our ass at gaurilla warfare, they have been living it everyday since the beginning of time.

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    It was asking why we are so eager o use our guns.


    Who says we are eager to use our guns? Sure, there is the fringe that is bit not the norm. If that is indeed the point of the movie, then MM is still wasting his time on a fringe element.

    I would say the only thing that is antigun about the movie is that they question what a tec9 is used for??

    Which, BTW, I doubt tupac shackalack can buy anything right about now.

    I think that some Americans hold onto the idea that if we have guns that we can overthrow the government if things get too far out of hand..

    Again, maybe that is the mindset of a few in the fringe. Most just want to assure they can protect their families. Would you deny them that? If so, come to my house. We could settle that pretty quickly. [/b]
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    Again, maybe that is the mindset of a few in the fringe. Most just want to assure they can protect their families. Would you deny them that? If so, come to my house. We could settle that pretty quickly. [/b]
    I agree with that.. That's why I have mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootlen View Post

    It was asking why we are so eager o use our guns.


    Who says we are eager to use our guns? Sure, there is the fringe that is bit not the norm. If that is indeed the point of the movie, then MM is still wasting his time on a fringe element.

    I would say the only thing that is antigun about the movie is that they question what a tec9 is used for??

    Which, BTW, I doubt tupac shackalack can buy anything right about now.

    I think that some Americans hold onto the idea that if we have guns that we can overthrow the government if things get too far out of hand..

    Again, maybe that is the mindset of a few in the fringe. Most just want to assure they can protect their families. Would you deny them that? If so, come to my house. We could settle that pretty quickly. [/b]
    Aint he tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarthLoop View Post
    Roscoe,

    I read that article... And it did nothing for me.

    The MM movie compared our murder rates to Canada, UK and France..

    Your article compared us to Trinadad, Cuba, Mexico and Russia..... Do you really think these are equal comparisons?

    And I really don't get what point that they are trying to make in that article?? MM wasn't trying to say the America is the most murderous country and it wasn't even an antigun movie. It was asking why we are so eager o use our guns.

    I would say the only thing that is antigun about the movie is that they question what a tec9 is used for??

    I think that some Americans hold onto the idea that if we have guns that we can overthrow the government if things get too far out of hand.. I beg to differ. I own a 30-30, 12ga, 22 semi and a 357mag.... lets take 100,000 people just like me and band them together on a mountain, what can we do when 50 tanks come at us with aircraft overhead dropping bombs and all that good stuff??

    Don't compare us to the tribes in Afganistan because they would whoop our ass at gaurilla warfare, they have been living it everyday since the beginning of time.

    ahhh crap................... ..............
    Pullleeeze just turn in your guns and snuggle up to Rosie Moore and her twin sister.


    Micheal

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinknocker44 View Post
    Aint he tough.

    He Probably is

    I'd say....................

    hey step right up there fag, boot'd b*tch slap ya..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roscoe View Post
    ahhh crap................... ..............
    Pullleeeze just turn in your guns and snuggle up to Rosie Moore and her twin sister.


    Micheal
    Wih such a great response how can I disagree with you

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    That's all your post was worth............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roscoe View Post
    That's all your post was worth............
    Hush now Roscoe... Go back to the school of sticking your head in the sand while reality happens all around you

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