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  1. #1
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    Wisdom: from Australia

    This has been out for a while...in case you didn't see it before.

    Maj Ryan "Chick" Rideout
    HML/A-269
    Operations Officer
    DSN (318) 3413-752/267
    NIPR: ryan.rideout@acemnf-wiraq.usmc.mil
    SIPR: ryan.rideout@acemnf-wiraq.usmc.smil.mil


    Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
    Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals
    in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
    A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged
    loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime
    Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists
    would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent
    to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the
    country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and
    its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you
    want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then
    Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.
    "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two
    laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another
    Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law,
    independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the
    opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then,
    that's a better option", Costello said.
    Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to
    leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to
    move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
    reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should
    "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who
    don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then,
    they can basically clear off", he said.
    Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on
    Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's
    mosques.
    Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or
    Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
    offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks
    on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
    Australians."
    "However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when
    the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility
    that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration,
    nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by
    coming to Australia ." "However, there are a few things that those who
    have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need
    to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community
    has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And
    as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own
    language and our own lifestyle."
    "This culture has been developed over two centuries of
    struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have
    sought freedom"
    "We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic,
    Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you
    wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!"
    "Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian,
    right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women,
    on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
    documented.
    It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.
    If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the
    world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
    "We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All
    we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful
    enjoyment with us."
    "If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair
    Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this
    planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and
    we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all
    means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
    "This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will
    allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
    complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
    Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
    advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
    'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
    "If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to
    come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."



    Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American
    citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same
    truths:

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    I was looking for the punch line... I think ARP would love this....
    Do as I say, not as I do

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    Quote Originally Posted by tech_support007 View Post
    I was looking for the punch line... I think ARP would love this....
    It is in ARP as well. I say; "good for the Aussies" for having the nads to call Islam what it is.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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    right on mate us aussies have got to stick together
    you stupid yanks ought to take note
    pass me another VB
    Last edited by hos; 06-08-2007 at 06:46 PM.

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    im glade to see a country finally making a stand
    I dont warranty Tinkeritus

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    Quote Originally Posted by hos View Post
    right on mate us aussies have got to stick together
    you stupid yanks ought to take note
    pass me another VB
    we did take note......about them taking away your guns. hows the ole crime rate these days? ah hahaha stupid aussie , have a vb.
    i was born under a wandrin star.

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    less gun crime than you bozo and thats a fact

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    Quote Originally Posted by hos View Post
    less gun crime than you bozo and thats a fact
    haven't you been paying attention?


    The Failed Experiment: Gun Control and Public Safety in Canada, Australia, England and Wales
    Publication Date: November 2003
    Publication Format: Public Policy Sources

    Author(s):
    Gary Mauser, Professor, Simon Fraser University
    Email: mauser@sfu.ca
    Telephone: (604) 291-3652

    Executive Summary: Widely televised firearm murders in many countries during the 20th Century have spurred politicians to introduce restrictive gun laws. The politicians then promise that the new restrictions will reduce criminal violence and "create a safer society." It is time to pause and ask if gun laws actually do reduce criminal violence.

    Gun laws must be demonstrated to cut violent crime or gun control is no more than a hollow promise. What makes gun control so compelling for many is the belief that violent crime is driven by the availability of guns and, more importantly, that criminal violence in general may be reduced by limiting access to firearms.

    In this study, the author examines crime trends in Commonwealth countries that have recently introduced firearm regulations: i.e., Great Britain, Australia, and Canada. The widely ignored key to evaluating firearm regulations is to examine trends in total violent crime, not just firearms crime. Since firearms are only a small fraction of criminal violence, the public would not be safer if the new law could reduce firearm violence but had no effect on total criminal violence.

    The United States provides a valuable point of comparison for assessing crime rates because the criminal justice system there differs so drastically from those in Europe and the Commonwealth. Not only are criminal penalties typically more severe in the United States, often much more severe, but also conviction and incarceration rates are usually much higer. Perhaps the most striking difference is that qualified citizens in the United States can carry concealed handguns for self-defence. During the past few decades, more than 25 states in the United States passed laws allowing responsible citizens to carry concealed handguns. In 2003, there are 35 states where citizens can get such a permit.

    The upshot is that violent crime rates, and homicide rates in particular, have been falling in the United States. The drop in the American crime rate is even more impressive when compared with the rest of the world.

    ISBN/ISSN 1206-6257


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    maybe you shouldn't talk so tough to those mean old islamics now that youv'e made the jump from citizen to subject.
    i was born under a wandrin star.

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    mate i'm not saying i'm defence less against anyone but the facts still remain you idiots are killing yourselves at a great rate. Don't think so.. here's a blurb from your oh so great NRA

    Firearms are the second leading cause of traumatic death related to a consumer product in the United States and are the second most frequent cause of death overall for Americans ages 15 to 24. Since 1960, more than a million Americans have died in firearm suicides, homicides, and unintentional injuries. In 2003 alone, 30,136 Americans died by gunfire: 16,907 in firearm suicides, 11,920 in firearm homicides, 730 in unintentional shootings, and 232 in firearm deaths of unknown intent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. Nearly three times that number are treated in emergency rooms each year for nonfatal firearm injuries.

    If 1 million aussies were killed by firearms that would be 1/20 of the population.
    Sorry couldn't find newer stats but here's some
    22 November 2000

    The number of firearm-related deaths in Australia is about half the number of a decade ago. Latest figures show that there were 328 firearms deaths in Australia in 1998, compared with 696 in 1988, 713 in 1987, 697 in 1986 and 714 in 1985.


    And by the way i love to shoot guns, just no people

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    well said

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