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    What did you learn from your mistake?

    What did you learn from the replies to your thread?

    complacency (but mostly arrogance). please learn from my idiocy. i feel better now a little.
    You posted this here to help others but I hope you learned also.

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    I have a few guys from a few companys call me with a question every once in a while. Mostly commercial refrigeration. Some time it takes a bit of conversation before we figure out the problem. My views may differ from theirs. Doesn't mean either is right or wrong. Most times we get it figured out. Only thing in recent memory (last December) was a heat call on a RTU. I haven't ever done heat, my guess as a bas board. Tech said no. Unit still won't heat, AC works though. Oh I am not big on sales either

    Quote Originally Posted by jacob-k View Post
    clearly your train of thought has been taught to you, I can read it in your post. probably should stick around this site and learn some valuable information, apply for pro status as well. The first time i got introduced to sales the tech I was training with was very dishonest so i know its not hard to get caught up in all that misinformation that sounds legit when your told by someone else that is SUPPOSED to know more then you. I have learned over a little time that what techs and co-workers tell me quite often is not right, sadly i dont even ask them much of anything anymore as ive found all my answers here and they far exceed anything ive ever been told by someone im working with. take your lickings for your post and learn and ask questions. goodluck

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    I got a break from another mistake. Before I worked as a tech I worked an a shop foreman. One of the older techs was let go and I asked why. I was old he was getting sloppy for instance he condemned a compressor when it was only single phasing.
    When I started work as a tech I didn't forget that lesson and would always go through the testing even if I thought I was sure what the problem was. Scientific method (short version ) Define the problem, collect data, analyze data, solve problem.
    Not taking the time to "Do the work" leads to the shotgun method where parts are replaced until the tech gets lucky.
    Tracers work both ways.

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    Itstartedasacc , you made an honest mistake by not checking the cap. Thanks for posting it here as it reminds us to sometimes slow down and not over look the simple things.
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    You guys scared him off. Another one bites the dust.
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    Everyone makes mistakes, even stupid ones, when starting out. I think everyone here is being way too hard on him. As the homeowner I would be pissed, thankfully they called for a 2nd opinion. The important thing is he is trying to recover from it and learn. The problem is if you make mistakes and do not make an effort to stop them from happening in the future.

    That is called experience.

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    Everyone on here has screwed up big at one time of another. The crime is in not learning from your screw-ups.


    Quote Originally Posted by pipsters View Post
    Everyone makes mistakes, even stupid ones, when starting out. I think everyone here is being way too hard on him. As the homeowner I would be pissed, thankfully they called for a 2nd opinion. The important thing is he is trying to recover from it and learn. The problem is if you make mistakes and do not make an effort to stop them from happening in the future.

    That is called experience.

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    Next time disconnect the compressor with fresh fuses and see if the breaker trips. Easy to tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipsters View Post
    Everyone makes mistakes, even stupid ones, when starting out. I think everyone here is being way too hard on him. As the homeowner I would be pissed, thankfully they called for a 2nd opinion. The important thing is he is trying to recover from it and learn. The problem is if you make mistakes and do not make an effort to stop them from happening in the future.

    That is called experience.
    Hopefully, this experience leads him to work for an honest company, which will teach him good work habits and how to make honest assessments of existing equipment.
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    Or maybe the compressor is failing. It had a 521 present when he arrived and it failed in five years? A 521 system can start with a run cap completely gone. And as TB notes, a 521 system is way tougher than a PSC. And I seldom, if ever, come across a weak run cap on a CSCR system.

    If it's only five years old it suggests to me that they put an r22 high side on and old r22 indoor coil (which started leaking the day it was installed as every system does) as 410a has been around way longer than 5 years. I wouldn't hesitate to suggest upgrading to 410a to get away from freon. And if the previous condenser failed as well, prompting them to replace just the high side only five years ago...and now it's having issues after only five years???

    Not enough background, to be sure...but maybe a little prematurely hard on the Beave???

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    Its been a big debate on here, locked single phase motor may need a capacitance boost to start and otherwise run fine for years. Ive heard argument, most in the favor of leaving the the boost on the circuit with some sort of an monetary switch. Never seen anyone argue scraping the motor. But I can tell the OP has honest concern, that can count for a good many honest mistakes. Keep posting, members will not hesitate to tell you your flaws. Unless ofcoarse your as flawed as me. Then they will pick and choose when to correct.

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