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  1. #66
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    Last week I had old cond unit I replaced and pumped down. I must have been spaced out because I put my gauges on it later at the shop and it said zero. The way it was laying it looked like it was kicked off the truck. I figured well it got damaged. I got my sawzall out to cut it up, I was cutting the fan wires and nicked the coil and whoosh there she went. The light bulb went off, service valves were shut duh because it was pumped down. Good thing I wasn't near a grade school!

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    Quote Originally Posted by walden.raccoon View Post
    We do have recovery equipment in the shop and plenty of recovery tanks, but this one guy i was with didn't have it, it's also the law that any service to be done needs to be accompanied with the appropriate recovery equipment. This guy I worked with told me if we overcharge a system by a couple Ounces to a pound we just "purge it out", my heart broke upon hearing that. I might have to find a new company that haS stricter Standard like the ones i follow (Aka the epa regulations). AlsO, this guy never reams or cleans pipe before brazing and doesn't use ppe for the job, he also uses a broken nitro regulator. I'm surprised he's still alive
    When you guys change a run capacitor, do you leave the new capacitor in the box and wrap electrical tape around it to protect it as well?

  3. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joehvac25 View Post
    Last week I had old cond unit I replaced and pumped down. I must have been spaced out because I put my gauges on it later at the shop and it said zero. The way it was laying it looked like it was kicked off the truck. I figured well it got damaged. I got my sawzall out to cut it up, I was cutting the fan wires and nicked the coil and whoosh there she went. The light bulb went off, service valves were shut duh because it was pumped down. Good thing I wasn't near a grade school!
    We where taking out an old system a while back, and we had recovered the refrigerant and started to sawzall the copper tubing out. Another guy starting cutting on an insulated pipe which he thought was part of the suction line, and water started spraying out. Oops, that's the water line for the water-cooled condenser.

  4. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike19 View Post
    We where taking out an old system a while back, and we had recovered the refrigerant and started to sawzall the copper tubing out. Another guy starting cutting on an insulated pipe which he thought was part of the suction line, and water started spraying out. Oops, that's the water line for the water-cooled condenser.
    Ha ha whoops.

    To the op, cool down learn some stuff, always remember you know how to do things right, what it boils down to is work experience, you get that and you have options.

  5. #70
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    i thought a coke bottle half full of water and a rag on top were approved as a recovery machine because you cant see the gas cloud that way. Of course its been 25 years since i was in school learning about recovery. I started out with a chargeomatic cylinder. I bet the kid would freak seeing one of them things.
    I know everything about HVAC/R until i go to the next call.

  6. #71
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    Some refrigerant related EPA fines. I think the EPA likes to hunt elephants and whales (the big companies who can pay the fines get hit.) I'm assuming its due to a limited amount of agents and a huge number of companies. Hit the big ones to have the most effect and bring in the most revenue.

    http://www.epa.gov/ozone/enforce/
    I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
    ― Benjamin Franklin

  7. #72
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    Officially, Down for the count

    YOU HAVE TO GET OFF YOUR ASS TO GET ON YOUR FEET

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  8. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by johnqpublic View Post
    i thought a coke bottle half full of water and a rag on top were approved as a recovery machine because you cant see the gas cloud that way. Of course its been 25 years since i was in school learning about recovery. I started out with a chargeomatic cylinder. I bet the kid would freak seeing one of them things.
    I've seen the charging cylinders, very old school

  9. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike19 View Post
    When you guys change a run capacitor, do you leave the new capacitor in the box and wrap electrical tape around it to protect it as well?
    I sincerely hope not...the only thing i wrap electrical tape on is my Boot if the sole separated from the upper part

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    Quote Originally Posted by walden.raccoon View Post
    I sincerely hope not...the only thing i wrap electrical tape on is my Boot if the sole separated from the upper part
    Then you look like a hack, you only get one chance to make a good first impression, buy new boots. Always maintain your appearance, your customers will notice and your boss also.

    And about the venting refer, you are not in position to complain, nor will you get fined. When you get in your own truck will be soon enough to start doing things right. Meanwhile learn all you can, including how not to do things, from your journeyman and prepare yourself to be a better tech!

  11. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Meanwhile learn all you can, including how not to do things, from your journeyman and prepare yourself to be a better tech!
    That's a healthy outlook on the situation.

    I was thinking OP should look for a trainee position under somebody who could show him the professionalism usually exhibited on this forum, rather than how to make time by cutting corners. But I was really worried about him walking a tightrope between being perceived as so awful that his first employer is pushing him out in his first month on the job, or being perceived as bad-mouthing his current employer if he tells anybody why he is looking for another employer.

    When you leave a job in the first month, something's really wrong. When it's the only job you've ever held in the industry, the immediate assumption is that the problem is you.
    If you walk into a job interview and bad-mouth your current employer, it's going to discourage the interviewer from wanting to be the next employer you bad-mouth. So you're stuck with the perception that there's something seriously wrong with you, but you run the risk of only making it worse if you try to tell them there's something seriously wrong with your boss.
    About the farthest you'd want to go would be to focus on your own professional development, maybe say you were wondering if a different company would be better at showing you how to implement the methods you learned in trade school.

    I'd go with Chuck's advice, and consider it 'paying your dues' as you gain skills in your chosen trade.

  12. #77
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    Remember that this is your career at stake, do not get involved with or sunk by some idiot's version of what is proper procedure. Too many in the hvac/r trade haven't a clue and would happily break any law if it suited them. You will protect your career by protecting the environment. Do not be one of these morons who, if they could read, observe laws only as and if it suits them. You didn't attend school just so some other fool can involve you in his idiocy and burn down your career. You've likely been told already but go to your foreman or supervisor and tell someone what you've seen. Don't be self-righteous about it, simply report what you saw (not some rumor) and let your boss earn his pay. If the boss does nothing make sure your own butt is always covered and privately document everything you've seen, you can add the rumor here. Don't ever forget that a crime may have been committed and that you are now associated with it. If you want to damage the environment, your own health plus everyone else's that is your choice. If you want to lie about this that is your option, you really don't want to get a reputation as one of these idiots that willy-nilly breaks whatever environmental laws he chooses. This will follow you everywhere and you can kiss any respect you may have earned goodbye.
    You are now working in the big leagues where the penalties for screwing up mistakenly or on purpose are severe and very permanent. Any criminal record or possibly just the hint of one can sink your new career. The really interesting projects (usually the huge dollar government ones) require contractors/employees that can pass criminal background checks. This became law right after 9/11, even here in Canada. No screwing around OK? You are the only person responsible for your success and what can be a fascinating and really well paying job. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnqpublic View Post
    i thought a coke bottle half full of water and a rag on top were approved as a recovery machine because you cant see the gas cloud that way. Of course its been 25 years since i was in school learning about recovery. I started out with a chargeomatic cylinder. I bet the kid would freak seeing one of them things.
    or a halogen or halide leak detector
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