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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Excellence (or semi-excellance) in politics will never be achieved by constantly knocking your opponent. It will be done by focusing on your own weaknesses as they do in professional sports. That means not complaining about the other coaches and players (politicians) but by firing your own dead weight.

    This country will go into the toilet because people buy into the constant opposition presented by our news media, which takes your eye way off the ball. Democrat and Republican Politicians and corporate elitists set this game up and we play right along with it...without a clue.

    We've learned how to demand excellence in pro sports, but not in politics. Our priorities are backwards.
    EXCELLENT post Brian, IMO you are right on!

    Now how do we get folks back into the mode of 'fix myself'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Barber, My parents were born into what could be called the edge... the edge between hanging onto a lower middle-class life and falling off into the bottom of the food chain (subsistence workers) They realized there was only one way to climb out... they sacrificed (did without) and WORKED HARD to improve their lives.

    As Shark suggests... there are true charity cases, yet there are also lazy bums. The problem we have in the USA (IMO) is no system of checks and balances to weed out the bums who are gaming the system to get what they can without working. Sure there are rules and laws... it is apparent those rules and laws they are not doing their job.

    Yes, work is HARD... that is life. And one has a choice... they can work HARD to better themselves (as in learn a trade or get an education) along with earning enough to pay their bills... or they can live off the dole and complain all the time. Each is a lifestyle and each is a choice.
    Personally, I believe if someone has to live cheap and low to get an education (trade or higher schooling)... well that experience just makes the education that much more valuable to them. IMO also the experience of doing without and completing the education makes the person a better person all around... including a better citizen of the country. Taking responsibility seems to cause this thing called maturity... the lack of maturity is a spoiled child.

    You see... when the requirement of choosing to do the right thing (work) is thwarted (as with handout programs...), that attitude of lazyness and uselessness takes over. I call it being 'worthless'... The USA needs to take steps to take away the opportunity for folks to become 'worthless'. The problem here is politicians can literally 'buy' elections by creating pockets of worthless folks. The proof of this is to study a 'red/blue' chart of a national election... a few pockets of worthless folks can swing a whole state.

    Now if someone has a REAL need... I have seen endless folks with big hearts who will volunteer their time and take care of that need... They also are smart enough to discern the difference between a needy person and a person gaming the system. IMO we need to take away the ability to game the system (any system). The simple way to do this is to get the federal govt OUT of helping folks. Make it a local deal WITHOUT any federal money or strings attached. Folks will get the help they need... they just may have to do without an Escalade (Cadillac SUV) and a 60" TV...
    I am not sure, that you can have local social safety nets, in a country where folks are free travel, i say this because I look at the EU, where before its inception each country had is own rules (warts and all), and limited migration, now EU citizens, can travel freely an do move to which country has the better social services. Which then burdens those countries with better systems. By not having a national set of rules would just not end up with a transient group of lazy buggers, moving form state to state milking that state until it can no longer offer the security safety net that was put in place.

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    Im going to weedeat tonight...... strictly weedeat...... then I got to look at a flat tire on my rider......and evidently I ripped the skid plate out from under it last sunday somehow.......got to look at that too.

    Might get the old push mower out tonight but I seriously doubt it...

    just too tired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Im going to weedeat tonight...... strictly weedeat...... then I got to look at a flat tire on my rider......and evidently I ripped the skid plate out from under it last sunday somehow.......got to look at that too.

    Might get the old push mower out tonight but I seriously doubt it...

    just too tired.
    Went to weedeat and my weedeater is gone....... either one of my nephews or one of the white n****** that walk thru the neighborhood.

    Sort of leaning on my one of my nephews cause my leaf blower is still on the porch and there are other tools etc.... still out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post

    As Shark suggests... there are true charity cases, yet there are also lazy bums. The problem we have in the USA (IMO) is no system of checks and balances to weed out the bums who are gaming the system to get what they can without working. Sure there are rules and laws... it is apparent those rules and laws they are not doing their job.
    Take my sister for example , 25 years old , with a 6 year old kid , and has done nothing but sit on her ass and collect welfare. Went from 100 pounds to 180 pounds. Lights up one cigarette with the next , and polishes off a bottle of wine like its koolaid.

    Well they must have SOME limits , because shes apparently used up her time limit and has to find a JOB

    Aweeeeee Poor thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Went to weedeat and my weedeater is gone....... either one of my nephews or one of the white n****** that walk thru the neighborhood.

    Sort of leaning on my one of my nephews cause my leaf blower is still on the porch and there are other tools etc.... still out there.
    Got me a new weedeater at sears. Got the closest thing to my old one but now I am going to have to learn how to weedeat again because this one seems to operate differently. Some sort of cluth stops the string when you let off the gas...... I could do some real fine trimming with my other one just letting it idle....

    Gonna research some some cameras for the back porch. Ive got plenty of laptops I could use.....just need some kind of inexpensive motion activated camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    I am not sure, that you can have local social safety nets, in a country where folks are free travel, i say this because I look at the EU, where before its inception each country had is own rules (warts and all), and limited migration, now EU citizens, can travel freely an do move to which country has the better social services. Which then burdens those countries with better systems. By not having a national set of rules would just not end up with a transient group of lazy buggers, moving form state to state milking that state until it can no longer offer the security safety net that was put in place.
    You make my point even clearer!

    If one state (or township) wants to feed and cloth and house every deadbeat that comes along... they can. And if another wants NO DEADBEATS around, they can also. In this country, we call that FREEDOM... <grin>

    You see... the point becomes having a choice rather than assuming deadbeats are to be taken care of (a notion started by govt rather than other sources). The guilt trip mentality which says folks who make it have a responsibility to take care of the rest who do not... well that is not a way of operation in any country or religion I have studied... rather a choice. NO, it is govt that wants us to 'think' we have a responsibility to take care of deadbeats... and they seem to be pretty good at selling the lie to the public.

    Side note: Heard an interesting sound-byte on the news today: The recent tornado in Oklahoma (it was a category 5, the biggest and baddest measurable... that is sustained winds over 200MPH)... well the Southern Baptist Relief mission was on the ground helping folks with 'people-power' and $$$ within 30 minutes after the storm passed... BTW: The Southern Baptist Relief mission is larger than the Red Cross and the Salvation army put together.
    Now tell me how long it takes the govt to have boots on the ground helping folks? That is, other than arrogant LE types bossing folks around and taking advantage of them.

    Yeah, the current PC viewpoint is churches cannot handle charity... that is a bold-faced LIE. Look at the facts... they speak for themselves. The only thing the churches do not handle (by choice) is deadbeats. If the statistics separated deadbeats from folks truly in need... well the facts would be clear. However: If that separation were evident in the numbers... the whole welfare state would go up in smoke... and libs would be shown for what they are; vote buyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snapperhead View Post
    Take my sister for example , 25 years old , with a 6 year old kid , and has done nothing but sit on her ass and collect welfare. Went from 100 pounds to 180 pounds. Lights up one cigarette with the next , and polishes off a bottle of wine like its koolaid.

    Well they must have SOME limits , because shes apparently used up her time limit and has to find a JOB

    Aweeeeee Poor thing
    Would you mind if I passed on taking your sister... <grin>

    Seen more of these than I can remember (or want to). A few are true charity cases... most are IMO deadbeats.

    I used to be part of a committee in a local church that decided which folks who asked for assistance (read that begged for $$$), got it. You would be AMAZED at how professional these scam artists are. Would make you want to puke.

    As I say: Take the govt out of charity... give it back to folks who can say NO... and watch how quickly folks go back to work. That pain in your belly that says 'I am hungry' is a REAL MOTIVATOR...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    I don't think communism was ever the threat it was made out to be. It's a bad system that will always collapse under it's own weight if left alone.
    Why are we moving towards communism/socialism/statism?
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    Good point bb. IMHO it is no longer the external threat it was thanks to Saint Ronnie but thanks to the alien, it is a bigger internal threat. Just you don't know it. Thank you, thank you very much

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    Quote Originally Posted by bb View Post
    Why are we moving towards communism/socialism/statism?
    We are not. We are moving towards Fascism, which is a joining of government and corporate power. Most of the social programs are designed to prop up businesses not help people. Take food stamps. A socialist/communist program would be the state using tax money to run a farm and giving out food. Food stamps creates a price floor and props up the price. Its the same with obamacare and pretty much anything that has been called privatized. It to will collapse the same way communism/socialism will.

    The fear of socialism created the environment that fascism can rise in. Every "compromise" between the liberals and conservatives has every do gooder program that has been "privatized" has been a step in that direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    We are not. We are moving towards Fascism, which is a joining of government and corporate power. Most of the social programs are designed to prop up businesses not help people. Take food stamps. A socialist/communist program would be the state using tax money to run a farm and giving out food. Food stamps creates a price floor and props up the price. Its the same with obamacare and pretty much anything that has been called privatized. It to will collapse the same way communism/socialism will.

    The fear of socialism created the environment that fascism can rise in. Every "compromise" between the liberals and conservatives has every do gooder program that has been "privatized" has been a step in that direction.
    I think Elf is onto something here... Need to think on this a bit.
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