o-k, 1st thing, related company, same company, same difference. They are owned by the same group and one grew out of the other. Not the same company...just same owners, same products. To be honest i dont care.
I did address the issue, you were to busy listening to made in china. The products will never be sold in retail outlets because the sole purpose for Mike Jackson creating Ecoquest was to help others achieve what he had through Shaklee and Alpine. So it undermines the small business to distribute products that way. Oh and John, those are court documents? Consumer affairs hahaha! Ya ok! Read the FTC one, it says they are related companies. Not the same one. Mike Jackson got wealthy through Shaklee, moved on to Alpine and became their Exec eventually, he then bought Alpines marketing rights , RGF'S light industrial and residential divison, and marketing rights for infinity 2 and that is Ecoquest. I said we aren't the same company which your webflake documents other than the FTC one are written for the web and consumer affairs is often mistaken to have some validity by idiots mistaking it for consumer reports.
The point of this whole thread is about uninformed people selling a product using misleading claims etc. I dont care if it was a company owned by Alpine, Budweiser or Hustler.
If you told me that you had a degree in IAQ from wherever or these are the training courses you have taken and this is why you have decided that this product serves this purpose in this condition, it would have a lot more merit.
All you are able to tell me is specs on equipment out of a book or numbers out of an ecoquest sales manual.
My mom is a medical transcriptionist and knows all the terms for many medical procedures and drug specs but if i need a whateverectomy i think ill go to the doctor.
Yes i should not have said court documents. But are those not government docs talking about the court case? .
Now the part about undermining small business.
Ya know what, i had about half a page typed out and i deleted it. I honestly dont want to get into a huge conversation on mlm in general.
I have no desire to go there. If you want to discuss that, start a new thread on that.
But i am very sure that if Carrier, York etc called them tomorrow and said hey, we wanna start selling these things at a wholesale level, there would be trucks being loaded the same day.
mbarson has given some truely good insight and advice.
If you have an interest in IAQ, go with it, learn all you can and get yourself into a real business. You will learn fast that there is a lot more to IAQ than throwing an air cleaner on your coffee table and quite honestly there is huge money to be made in that industry.
I know furnaces have CO problems but the conversation was directly related to RCI which Carbon dioxide is a byproduct some of it's processes and just because you didn't specify the supply plenum I assumed that was what you were talking about.
What you said was true? Ya , maybe a little but the majority was you just being an arrogant ass when you know absolutely nothing about the technology so you are just plain ignorant.
Of all the people I have argued with, Made you have made the least viable argument of any of them. And to criticize University testing just shows how much of a tool you are. The majority of testing in this country is done by universities. Logically since they are the ones teaching the future scientists...hmmm
You posted one FTC document. Had you posted the actual court document you would have seen the defendants were listed as Alpine and Bill Converse and not Mike Jackson and Ecoquest. Mike wasn't the owner in any way at the time. The other two listings were just web nonsense.
Yes EQ was named to abide by that ruling but the majority of what Alpine was in court for we are now allowed to say because the burden of proof is great enough to keep us out of court.
I don't discredit companies because of their past. Microsoft is a good example. Bill Gates stole the windows format from the guy who created Apple and even when XP came out he knew it wouldn't work right with the ammount or ram currently in most pc's at the time but failed to tell anyone because he knew people would upgrade their ram if they got the processing system first, but you don't see the world stop using anything microsoft.
We all have pasts, I know I do. I know I will totally get trashed for saying this but I made a lot of mistakes when I was younger, I was a heroin addict for 10 yrs and EQ didn't judge me on that. I failed the credit application for 3 units even with a cosigner and my MGR wrote EQ a letter and they upgraded me to a success pack and financed it. They have been nothing but good to me. As far as everyone claiming it is all about the money I don't see it that way. I believe a lot of people are still good. I got married in November and a couple I never met before came up to me and my wife and gave us a very large check and told us that is was good for a marriage to not start off with any money problems, they were wealthy and just wanted to bless us. So when you all dispute the possibility that someone who is a Christian can be a millionaire and not be about the money it falls on deaf ears with me. That isn't the first time I have had people do stuff like that.
I admit I don't know everything but you all should keep in mind, neither do you. How did you get your HVAC cert? Took a test? Maybe after apprenticing or whatever so does that mean your certification doesn't mean jack? I am making and attempt. I did the NORMI IAQ/Mold Inspection Certification, RGF Indoor Air Quality Specialist certification, and NORMI Biocide applicator cert. Sure they don't take that long and don't encompass everything but it is more than the average shmoe. And for the people without an HVAC system, what do they have? Nothing, a stand up HEPA unit doesn't do jack. So then what do you have left, us. Obviously if there are leaks or mold then it has to be dealt with before, but RCI will keep it gone. The guy directly above me in my upline is an HVAC engineer and I haven't met him yet. He is designing some system for a company in main that is incorperating out technology. They have been around for over 30 yrs, it was him and his father and now it is him an his sons. From what I have been told he has some rediculous number of customers and sells about a dozen Fresh Airs a month as well. So anyway my MGR wants me to go see that job he is working on and meet him. I think you are going way out of your way to discredit a product you have never even tried. Every time I find someone who had an older machine I hear the same thing, it worked great and their allergies went away, I am surprised as to how it is with robotlike repetition if the product didn't work. We do have other systems but I don't focus on them. I am not crazy about ozone and ions without RCI so I don't sell those(they are getting phased out anyway). They do have a few filter units like the Selectpure where you can put the type of filters for the job (chemicals, etc)
It is not like I don't have access to professionals, all of the HVAC guys I have ran into haven't had any problems with the cells in systems except one got returned because the lady couldn't smell her potpouri, but that is what it's supposed to do. Just because they aren't on this site doesn't make them less professional, or what of all the HVAC guys using RGF's phi? There are quite a few. Where are they? Oh so the majority of HVAC pros aren't on this board?
How many professional members on this board? I doubt it even comes to 1/20th of the certified HVAC guys in this country so that logic doesn't work either.
I will broaden my scope of IAQ but there aree some cases where there are no system where are units work far better than anything else, till you have tried it you have no right to knock it!
I wouldn't expect anyone to come forward on this site and say they sell RCI, they would have to be expecting to be jumped on. I personally stand up fotr things I believe in. EQ doesn't push me to be pushy, they drive the focus on integrity, whether you believe it or not. I know fake people, I lived on the streets for 10 + yrs hustling and anm the farthest thing from a sucker, but the best thing I like about EQ is I can do sales their way and not have an issue of conscience because I believe in the product and the people! We do 90% of our sales through trials, we address a problem and if it solves that problem people buy it. It can't be a placebo effect because most of the time we tell them nothing about it and the majority of the people have bought a bunch of useless HEPA or ionic breeze crap and are gunshy from being burned. So they are very reluctant to say anything works unless it is overwhelmingly obvious. I get sales from other sales because people visit peopl I have sold and the air smells so different people ask questions.
People buy benefits not features. I was doing a trial last month and my friends mom has this winter cough that wont go away. She coughs all the time, well he was doing a trial and after about 10 min of being in his house she stopped coughing. Course as soon as she went home it started again.
It is things like that which happen almost daily that lead me to take what you say with a grain of salt. I am always doing continuing education on the topic of IAQ and will continue with it forever.
Those of you who are really genuinely concerned I appreciate your input, for those who think you can scare the EQ out of me, I watched all but 2 of my friends die and it didn't stop me from doing what I was at the time so you will have to do better if you think you are going to scare me away from EQ. I am not brainwashed by anymeans, I have seen it and experienced it for myself and that a hard stone to throw up after you've already swallowed it.
Have a great day!
Oh and John, if York called up and said they wanted them they would be given them and then they would be told they can't advertise the product online or in a catalog and it has to be kept separate area not in a store, or else their dealer registration would be torn up and the warantys on all of their units would be null and void. We aren't supposed to approach companys like that for the sake that our product will never be sold in stores. Quality isn't even an issue, the majority of the airpurifyers at walmart are junk...It is solely on EQ that they are not in stores , but nice try though.
Last edited by NHMoldInspector; 03-05-2007 at 10:24 AM.
The real fact is Mr. Moldi, you want to come in here and sell that crap the way you are able to sell it to Mr. John Q. Public and we ain't buying it.
Your own track record with life in general in your own words is pathetic. You seem to latch on to things and sell them to yourself, then try it on others. One product you mentioned you used for 10 years makes me wonder how many you sold that to as the new best thing? Bet that made the room smell nice too! Now your pushing air purifiers, mold remediation and religion, what's next on your list? You were an easy target for MLM's, they love the gulible.
Move on, your just not welcome here.
Stamas, what are you talking about. Leave it to the village idiot. I said I was on heroin for 10 yrs, my reference was to units others had sold that I come accross. Oh, so you are implying I sold dope, well ya, I did occaisionally, and that is something I have to live with. See the worst thing on this planet is people like you! Normally a person with a good heart would say well that is really good that you got your life together where you, a POS , feel that my past bad judgement would mean I am incapable of providing any worth to society what so ever. Don't worry though, I learned that people with your attitude are the real bottomfeeders of society and a key element to why the statement "people suck" is true. I would be curious to see what skeletons are in your closet since the most condemning people are usually the ones with the most screwed up things in their life. Forget it, you are the run of the mill POS that I would expect an attack from. For you personally, I would hate to have you as an EQ business owner because we look for people with integrity which is something you obviously are lacking and the product is too good for you!
I am not trying to sell anything to any of you. Actually I recall telling you guys to call EQ and they would put you in touch with dealers near you, so how is that me selling? I am simply sticking up for a technology that not one of you has used but are so quick to jump on, so that breaks down to you having not seen it nor tried it but yet you have decided it is stepping on your turf and that makes it bad! Wow , so I guess that means IAQ isn't really about IAQ to you, it is about doing the same old thing that wasn't effective last week and hoping it will be this one. You show how professional you are with every post. It is funny because I argued with a chump just like you and he told me his company has the best system yada yada yada and that RCI can't be effective and he was just as sarrogant as you and ya know what he was using? RGF's PHI Cell, now isn't that ironic. People in your field seem to think they know everything as well, fortunately most of the people on this site are far more human than you. Stamas, you will forever be the equivalent of the carraige manufacturer, old and outdated only to be left behind. Go cry to the site admin and have me kicked off seeming that you are only opened to one way conversation...i smell cheese!
Last edited by NHMoldInspector; 03-05-2007 at 02:31 PM.
Well if you must know, before i strapped on a tool pouch, i had 3-1/2 years of Refrigeration/HVAC training at Kildonan East Collegiate, 6 Months in shop management, ODS handling training and certificate and I received 2 awards when i graduated. I had a bit of a clue when i started in the trade and i learned way more once i was in the trade.
I admit I don't know everything but you all should keep in mind, neither do you. How did you get your HVAC cert? Took a test? Maybe after apprenticing or whatever so does that mean your certification doesn't mean jack?
I have no idea what comparison you are trying to make or how that would make my certification mean "jack"
They should tar and feather people like you for falsely representing yourselves as knowledgeable in the science of IAQ.
Originally Posted by NHMoldInspector
Again, you are a danger to anyone and their home being you have no experience or training in evaluating the complete envelope.
As far as I am concerned you are the devil in flesh sense us true professionals here have enlightened you to how severely lacking you are with the knowledge and experience it takes to practice in this industry. You will keep on pawning yourself off to potential customers and representatives who you will falsely brainwash into believing they are qualified to give advice to customers.
Just because I do not enter into an in depth discussion with an uneducated person like you in this field concerning this technology by no means makes me unknowledgeable.
Keep posting. Your immaturity is very entertaining. We need clowns like you sometimes to pass through here to create some laughter, and you have definitely created some good laughs.
Last edited by MadeinUSA; 03-05-2007 at 04:51 PM.
Ok John, well I guess I was wrong and that was a bad analogy.
Glad to be of service, just to know that I brighten your day brings joy to my darkened lil heart.
I never claimed to know everything, but you try to discredit me because I am not in your line of work, however I still see too many positives in the lives of my customers to stop helping people. I would suggest, since you are the "expert" that you try one for yourself and who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised. And I wont even say I told ya so, I promise!
Edit: I should not be this hard on the Beave.
Last edited by MadeinUSA; 03-05-2007 at 04:50 PM.
No thanks. Cancer is a byproduct that affects a person years after smoking.
Originally Posted by NHMoldInspector
I see your product as unproven and would never place myself into a position of that of a guinea pig for any unproven technology and have it affect me or my clientele years later just like smokers are affected YEARS later.
Here is some religion spin for you. If God had made us to need your product, he would have created it with the earth.
I could not define SCAM any better.
Originally Posted by NHMoldInspector
You should feel real good about yourself at night while counting your $10.00 dollar fixes.
$10. fixes? I don't do dope anymore a$$hole! And I make far more then $10 off each sale...closer to what you make in a day! Provided you aren't somebodies helper for $10/hr.
You define a scam by a product whose testing has a large enough burden of proof to keep them out of court. That kinda sounds like you are saying if it is even remotely promising it looks bad. No wonder you are a filter guy!