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    This is so wrong!

    I have no words...just unbelievable.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_se...istration.html

    BREAKING: European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government
    Monday, May 06, 2013


    (NaturalNews) A new law proposed by the European Commission would make it illegal to "grow, reproduce or trade" any vegetable seeds that have not been "tested, approved and accepted" by a new EU bureaucracy named the "EU Plant Variety Agency."

    It's called the Plant Reproductive Material Law, and it attempts to put the government in charge of virtually all plants and seeds. Home gardeners who grow their own plants from non-regulated seeds would be considered criminals under this law.

    The draft text of the law, which has already been amended several times due to a huge backlash from gardeners, is viewable here.

    "This law will immediately stop the professional development of vegetable varieties for home gardeners, organic growers, and small-scale market farmers," said Ben Gabel, vegetable breeder and director of The Real Seed Catalogue. "Home gardeners have really different needs - for example they grow by hand, not machine, and can't or don't want to use such powerful chemical sprays. There's no way to register the varieties suitable for home use as they don't meet the strict criteria of the Plant Variety Agency, which is only concerned about approving the sort of seed used by industrial farmers."

    Virtually all plants, vegetable seeds and gardeners to eventually be registered by government

    All governments are, of course, infatuated with the idea of registering everybody and everything. Under Title IV of the proposed EU law:

    Title IV Registration of varieties in national and Union registers
    The varieties, in order to be made available on the market throughout the Union, shall be included in a national register or in the Union register via direct application procedure to the CVPO.

    Gardeners must also pay fees to the EU bureaucracy for the registration of their seeds. From the proposed law text:

    The competent authorities and the CPVO should charge fees for the processing of
    applications, the formal and technical examinations including audits, variety denomination, and the maintenance of the varieties for each year for the duration of
    the registration.

    While this law may initially only be targeted at commercial gardeners, it sets a precedent to sooner or later go after home gardeners and require them to abide by the same insane regulations.

    Government bureaucracy gone insane

    "This is an instance of bureaucracy out of control," says Ben Gabel. "All this new law does is create a whole new raft of EU civil servants being paid to move mountains of papers round all day, while killing off the seed supply to home gardeners and interfering with the right of farmers to grow what they want. It also very worrying that they have given themselves the power to regulate and licence any plant species of any sort at all in the future - not just agricultural plants, but grasses, mosses, flowers, anything at all - without having to bring it back to the Council for a vote."

    As a hint of the level of insane bureaucracy that gardeners and vegetable growers will be subject to under this EU law, check out this language from the proposed EU law:

    Specific provisions are set out on the registration in the Union variety register and with regard to the possibility for the applicant to launch an appeal against a CPVO decision. Such provisions are not laid down for the registration in the national variety
    registers, because they are subject to national administrative procedures. A new obligation for each national variety examination centre to be audited by the CPVO will be introduced with the aim to ensure the quality and harmonisation of the variety registration process in the Union. The examination centre of the professional operators will be audited and approved by the national competent authorities. In case of direct application to the CPVO it will audit and approve the examination centres it uses for variety examination.

    Such language is, of course, Orwellian bureaucraticspeak that means only one thing: All gardeners should prepare to be subjected to total government insanity over seeds, vegetables and home gardens.

    RealSeeds.co.uk warns about any attempt to actually try to understand the law by reading it:

    You cannot just read the first 5 pages or so that are an 'executive summary', and think you know what this law is about. The executive summary is NOT what will become the law. It is the actual Articles themselves that become law, the Summary has no legal standing and is just tacked on as an aid to the public and legislators, it is supposed to give background information and set the proposed legislation in context so people know what is going on and why.

    The problem with this law has always been that the Summary says lots of nice fluffy things about preserving biodiversity, simplifying legislation, making things easier etc - things we all would love - but the Articles of the law actually do completely the opposite. And the Summary is not what becomes the law.

    For example, the Summary of drafts 1, 2 & 3 talked about making things easier for 'Amateur' varieties. But the entire class of Amateur vegetables - which we have spent 5 years working with DEFRA to register - was actually abolished entirely in the Articles right from the start. Yet the Summary , and press releases based on it, still talked about how it will help preserve Amateur varieties! The Summary is completely bogus. Do not base your views of the law on it!

    So, be warned. By all means, read it yourself. But you have the ignore the Summary as that is not the Law, and does not reflect what is in the Law.

    As you might suspect, this move is the "final solution" of Monsanto, DuPont and other seed-domination corporations who have long admitted their goal is the complete domination of all seeds and crops grown on the planet. By criminalizing the private growing of vegetables -- thereby turning gardeners into criminals -- EU bureaucrats can finally hand over full control of the food supply to powerful corporations like Monsanto.

    Most heirloom seeds to be criminalized

    Nearly all varieties of heirloom vegetable seeds will be criminalized under this proposed EU law. This means the act of saving seeds from one generation to the next -- a cornerstone of sustainable living -- will become a criminal act.

    In addition, as Gabel explains, this law "...effectively kills off development of home-garden seeds in the EU."

    This is the ultimate wish of all governments, of course: To criminalize any act of self-reliance and make the population completely dependent on monopolistic corporations for their very survival. This is true both in the USA and the EU. This is what governments do: They seize control, one sector at a time, year after year, until you are living as nothing more than a total slave under a globalist dictatorial regime.

    An online petition has already been started on this issue and has garnered nearly 25,000 signatures so far.

    NOAH'S ARK and 240 other organizations from 40 European countries have also initiated an "open letter" appealing to Brussels bureaucrats to stop the insanity. Click here for a translated version of their petition.


    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_se...#ixzz2Sb8H2Sgt
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    yup that there is messed up. Monsanto's lobbyists have been on a roll lately.

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    With all the sheit going on in the world, I think this is the most intrusive and infuriating subject that I can think of. The notion that a phuking government/corporation can monopolize seeds and criminalize people for growing food that isn't government franken food makes me want to go berserk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    yup that there is messed up. Monsanto's lobbyists have been on a roll lately.
    They have a big investment to protect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    They have a big investment to protect.
    Yeah but this is statism at its extreme. Just communism without the massive arrests and gulags. Something that Obama and the commie Dems want for America. Thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    With all the sheit going on in the world, I think this is the most intrusive and infuriating subject that I can think of. The notion that a phuking government/corporation can monopolize seeds and criminalize people for growing food that isn't government franken food makes me want to go berserk!
    Same thing has been going on in the USA for some time. "plant patents". If you grow a plant or plant product and put it up for commercial sale in the USA you can be in violation of a patent. May not require genetic proof, similar qualities may be enough. You can be sued for damages.
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    European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered...

    European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government


    "Nearly all varieties of heirloom vegetable seeds will be criminalized under this proposed EU law. This means the act of saving seeds from one generation to the next -- a cornerstone of sustainable living -- will become a criminal act."


    http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_se...istration.html

    "As you might suspect, this move is the "final solution" of Monsanto, DuPont and other seed-domination corporations who have long admitted their goal is the complete domination of all seeds and crops grown on the planet. By criminalizing the private growing of vegetables -- thereby turning gardeners into criminals -- EU bureaucrats can finally hand over full control of the food supply to powerful corporations like Monsanto."
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    Threads merged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib's Son View Post
    Threads merged.
    Did not know of the other thread... THX.

    Hope this issue gets lot of attention... what is being done to the food supply is beyond criminal.
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    And you guys are worried about Muslims. The real dangers to worry about are companies like Cargill and Monsanto.

    Monsanto Protection Act put GM companies above the federal courts

    Campaigners say that not even the US government can now stop the sale, planting, harvest or distribution of any GM seed

    "In the event that a determination of nonregulated status made pursuant to section 411 of Plant Protection Act is or has been invalidated or vacated, the secretary of agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other provision of law upon request by a farmer, grower, farm operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary permit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to necessary and appropriate conditions consistent with section 411(a) or 412c of the Plant Protection Act, which interim conditions shall authorise the movement, introduction, continued cultivation, commercialisation and other specifically enumerated activities and requirements, including measures designed to mitigate or minimise potential adverse environmental effects, if any, relevant to the secretary's evaluation of the petition for nonregulated status, while ensuring that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cultivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other authorised activities in a time manner …"

    According to an array of food and consumer groups, organic farmers, civil liberty and trade unions and others, this hijacks the constitution, sets a legal precedent and puts Monsanto and other biotech companies above the federal courts. It means, they say, that not even the US government can now stop the sale, planting, harvest or distribution of any GM seed, even if it is linked to illness or environmental problems.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...tection-act-gm
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    And you guys are worried about Muslims. The real dangers to worry about are companies like Cargill and Monsanto.



    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...tection-act-gm
    Good read Printer.

    Yes, the govt is not our friend... nothing new there. Folks at ARP that call themselves Conservatives have been saying govt was out of control as long as ARP has been on H-talk...
    Maybe when it is too late and the govt dictates life to folks... they will realize what us conservatives have been saying all along.

    Regardless of whether the govt is friend or foe.... Muslim terrorists are STILL an issue that needs to be resolved.

    If we are all dead from a bomb... the food available does not matter.
    OTOH...
    If the food we can buy has no nutritional value because it is engineered for max yields... maybe being blown up by a terrorist would be a good exit to the next life.

    Pick your poison...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Good read Printer.

    Yes, the govt is not our friend... nothing new there. Folks at ARP that call themselves Conservatives have been saying govt was out of control as long as ARP has been on H-talk...
    Maybe when it is too late and the govt dictates life to folks... they will realize what us conservatives have been saying all along.

    Regardless of whether the govt is friend or foe.... Muslim terrorists are STILL an issue that needs to be resolved.

    If we are all dead from a bomb... the food available does not matter.
    OTOH...
    If the food we can buy has no nutritional value because it is engineered for max yields... maybe being blown up by a terrorist would be a good exit to the next life.

    Pick your poison...
    I know Muslim terrorism is something to be dealt with but it seems to have a limited effect on our lives. The food supply may not be too big an issue with us today but more so for our children or their children. We are limiting biodiversity in our food supply and betting our future on engineered plants and animals. I am sure you will agree with me that you can poke mother nature for so long but at some time she will turn and take a swipe back at you. Seems the big companies and the government are not too concerned with this. Yeah your government is messed up. It is making our guys look good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    I know Muslim terrorism is something to be dealt with but it seems to have a limited effect on our lives. The food supply may not be too big an issue with us today but more so for our children or their children. We are limiting biodiversity in our food supply and betting our future on engineered plants and animals. I am sure you will agree with me that you can poke mother nature for so long but at some time she will turn and take a swipe back at you. Seems the big companies and the government are not too concerned with this. Yeah your government is messed up. It is making our guys look good.
    Hogwash,read about the 4th most powerful women in America. If its not green and increases the footprint,it gets divested.
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