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    Quote Originally Posted by exreo View Post
    The selfishness in the healthcare industry is astounding. But hey, when somebody else is paying the bill....when somebody writes you a blank check, what would you fill in?
    Most people's entire lives are Toyota, yet somehow we have been conditioned to think we need (and have to pay for) Ferrari healthcare. How about those same people subscribing to a Ferrari diet and exercise program? Fat chance.

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    Obamacare will be a boon for the insurance industry. They will get so many young people paying for insurance than ever before. Young people who generally don't get sick. When it kicks in in January, every waiter, busboy, dishwasher, most fast food restaurant workers, anyone with over 30 employees will have to pay for insurance. They all think it's free, but it's not. The government requires an employer to pay most, but not all the premium.

    The government monitors profits and you can raise or lower rates with a built in profit. Imagine if the government mandated that every household had to have an AC system. That if you couldn't pay for it the government would pay for it and all AC companies would be guaranteed to make a profit? That they would have a death panel that would force old units to be replaced. I don't think that would hurt the industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    John just for the record both Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 under LBJ when the Democrats had overwhelming majorities in both houses after the disastrous defeat of a true conservative Sen Barry Goldwater. LBJ got anything and everything he wanted pushed through the Democrat controlled Congress (all very socialist big government programs). The Great Society ( VISTA, Head Start, Teacher Corps, Bilingual Education Act, Higher Education Act, Department of Transportation, PBS, etc., etc.), War on Poverty (Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, etc.).

    Now this was all done by liberal Democrats with stiff opposition from the few Republicans and some Southern Democrats in Congress but they were a small minority in both houses then. So IMHO and with all due respect you can take that we all did and and shove it as far as the most liberal and socialistic programs established by our government. Just need to get that fact out there. Thank you, thank you very much
    Think we where just referring to obamacare being the brain child of republicans. Yes the dems have been responsible for alot of whats wrong with this country but we must understand the republicans do the exact same things else we won't ever be able to fix those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidj001 View Post
    obamacare was dreamed up by the republicans? back that up please

    As GA said, be careful what you ask for, it might just ruin your day.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/201...idual-mandate/

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    So stressed..... think Im going to lie down for a while.... It rained and I cannot mow or weedeat so I am going to take this opportunity to take a short nap.
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    I wonder how many people stay in jobs they hate because of the health insurance benefits. Just think, if you weren't dependent on your job for your health care, you could tell the boss to shove it and go work for someone else. Employer provided health care insurance gives employers a lot of control over there workers. It's the fear of being uninsured that makes a lot of people put up with bad work environments. If health insurance were not an issue, employers would have to treat their employees better and small companies could compete for the good employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by air1 View Post
    I wonder how many people stay in jobs they hate because of the health insurance benefits. Just think, if you weren't dependent on your job for your health care, you could tell the boss to shove it and go work for someone else. Employer provided health care insurance gives employers a lot of control over there workers. It's the fear of being uninsured that makes a lot of people put up with bad work environments. If health insurance were not an issue, employers would have to treat their employees better and small companies could compete for the good employees.
    Caveat to that is IF small shops can afford to provide insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    As GA said, be careful what you ask for, it might just ruin your day.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/201...idual-mandate/
    I did not remember where the article was... however DO remember reading this during the debates.

    Looks like the GOP really is in bed as badly as the DEMS...

    IMO the sooner us conservatives realize our own party has sold out... the sooner we will rebuild our party (or start a new one).

    IMO then and only then can we get what we want... LESS GOVT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Oh one more thing the worst thing LBJ and the Democrats did was push through an immigration reform bill which eliminated our half a century old immigration qouta system based on counties which 90% of all immigrants came from Northern European countries. That was probably the worst legislation passed because that is how the commie Obama got elected. Thank you, thank you very much

    you are 100% correct.


    the immigration act was America's final nail.
    it was pushed by Ted Kennedy who was trying to save his own skin after all three of his brothers died as patriots, and after he was in a plane that suspiciously went down.
    he asked to be re-educated when he was in the hospital bed

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    it's amazing how many people think ObamaCare is not Socialist.
    it's officially considered Socialist/Capitalist.
    anything in America you are forced to pay for, including most taxes, has a Socialist history.

    you'r health care charge will eventually be right next to your SS ,medicare, and unemployment taxes.

    the difference is, the other Socialist programs were designed to funnel money to the government, where ObamaCare was designed to funnel money to businesses AND the government which is highly illegal.

    they're not going to over turn it , they went through too much trouble to bribe people to pass it, and they won't lose the massive revenue it will create

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfstrike View Post
    it's amazing how many people think ObamaCare is not Socialist.
    it's officially considered Socialist/Capitalist.
    anything in America you are forced to pay for, including most taxes, has a Socialist history.

    you'r health care charge will eventually be right next to your SS ,medicare, and unemployment taxes.

    the difference is, the other Socialist programs were designed to funnel money to the government, where ObamaCare was designed to funnel money to businesses AND the government which is highly illegal.

    they're not going to over turn it , they went through too much trouble to bribe people to pass it, and they won't lose the massive revenue it will create

    It's not socialist. It's fascist. A merging of corporate and government power. Socialist would be if it was single payer universal health care. It's still an abomination. Actual liberals and progressives hate the thing just as much as conservatives and libertarians do. The only people that support it are yellow dog democrats, who think its going to be free healthcare.

    I do agree we are stuck with it. The health insurance industry spent to much money to get it passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    Oh remember obamacare was dreamed up by the republicans in the first place.
    No , Hillary made up this healthcare years ago, Obum just took credit for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by air1 View Post
    I wonder how many people stay in jobs they hate because of the health insurance benefits. Just think, if you weren't dependent on your job for your health care, you could tell the boss to shove it and go work for someone else
    thats one thing i never understood , why people think they NEED healthcare plans.

    How many times have you , or your friends been hospitalized ?

    Me , one time for 10 stitches in my arm.

    Costed me 800 bucks after the cash discounts

    Other than that , probly been to the doctor 3 times for colds that wouldnt go away and i needed a little penicillin 80 bucks each trip

    So I've spent about 1000 dollars in 44 years , how about ya'll

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