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  1. #27
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    I thought about that, but pure o2 is explosive..... I don't think that will help hehe!

  2. #28
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    what about Nitrous Oxide?? mabey little less explosive i think


    *EDIT*
    Course that may be a little "Outside" the box lol
    Last edited by Just Learning; 02-22-2007 at 12:10 AM.

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    another fun fact...

    Quote Originally Posted by Just Learning View Post
    what about introducing Pure Oxygen into the system
    im almost positive that the + and - electrodes emit the gas bubbles sepreate from eachother...ie: + = H and - = O (could be the the other way around) but if u can capture some of the O bubbles sepreately than you would have a source of pure oxygen. but like you said it's too explosive and wont help, guess this is jus one of those threads that makes me feel the need to add my stupid .02 my apologies...

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    no apologies necessary Tj

    This is the reason for the thread.... to help solve the ultimate energy question... HHOw to solve the world's energy problem.

    thanks for the input... yes it is H+, O- ; )

  5. #31

    congratulations

    Wow, congralutations.

    As distributor in the chimneyfree segment I am very interested.

    Get your patent soon and please contact me.

    Maybe I can help you with getting it produced or in any way I want to sell in Europe.

    Succes and keep me posted.

  6. #32
    Well guys if you want to find ways to improve your HHO production goto the YAHOO groups and look for the following groups "watercar" "hydroxy" and "workingwatercar" somebody over in one of the groups has the same idea as you do but if you mention that you have done this project just be ready to prove it because over in these groups a picture is worth it weight in gold or better yet black gold and one sure way to be accepted into the groups is during signup mention about converting a stove to run on HHO. Most of the senior guys are helpful in solving problems, who knows you might find ways to increase you production. Also what valves did you use for your conversion I am thinking of doing the same thing.

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    What's the point of your post?

    So, let me get this straight: you are a mad scientist experimenting on experimental fuel technology bragging to everyone in the world you modified a listed appliance then go into great detail on an HVAC chat forum discussing R&D level topics that normally would be kept tightly guarded behind closed doors. Discussion of such information outside even the inner sanctum of an R&D dept. such as Heat&Glo's would constitute industrial espionage if you were working for a mfr. As a solo act, you are ruining any chance of gaining a patent for your invention now that you have blabbed here on the net.
    What was the purpose of your post here? To impress us with your knowledge and brilliance?

    For the record, the HG Aqueon worked all three days at EXPO. The reason it was discontinued was simple supply and demand. The sale price started at $50K and hit $70K by the time the third and last one was sold.

    Hearthman

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    the patent is why the cars we drive get horrible gas milage.

    and the oil companys have us by the cashews.

    I have been experamenting with this for a few months now also.
    all my vehicles are getting over 100 more miles per tank fill, and there is no HHO being used (yet).
    Leak lock is not for plumbers

  9. #35
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    found out with my reserch,

    a 5 litre per min generator can run a 250cc engine to power a vehicle up to 60 mph.

    my Idea for suplamental heating in my own home. or remote area.

    find a liquid cooled engine.
    run the engine off HHO. the engine will power a generator head. this will keep the battery charged for the hho generator.
    the heat from the engine will supply some heat for the shanty.
    the timing will need to be adjust because of the different properties of the fuel.

    I just need to find a small engine this on the test bench.
    looking for a 4 stroke 50cc or 100cc test engine

    I built a smack booster, (generator) puts out 1.7 litre per min,
    using a PWM to control curent heat and gas production.
    Leak lock is not for plumbers

  10. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by u8at711 View Post
    my Idea for suplamental heating in my own home. or remote area.

    find a liquid cooled engine.
    run the engine off HHO. the engine will power a generator head. this will keep the battery charged for the hho generator.
    the heat from the engine will supply some heat for the shanty.
    the timing will need to be adjust because of the different properties of the fuel.
    Cute idea, but since it will take more energy to generate the HHO than you will get out of it as fuel for the engine, the battery will be drained faster than it can be charged.

    Even if 100% of the energy from combustion was somehow converted to mechanical energy to drive the generator, and 100% of the energy driving the generator was converted to electrical energy to charge the battery, and 100% of the energy from the battery resulted in HHO production, the battery would still be drained.


    As for the HHO powered cars, they are kinda cool, and I'm sure they are fun projects, but the reality is that it would be more efficient to ditch the HHO generator and the combustion engine, and use the batteries to run an electric motor to power the car.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Check this out: http://www.hydro4000.com/
    I've been following a thread on another forum, a few of the guys there have installed this system with pretty impressive results. Granted, the hydro400 doesn't completely replace asoline, but is used in addition to regular fuel to get increased mileage. The electrolysis process gets the energy from the car battery and alternator, utilizing power that's already available.
    "Punctuation and capitalization is the difference between: Helping your Uncle, Jack, off a horse. And: helping your uncle jack off a horse"
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay302 View Post
    The electrolysis process gets the energy from the car battery and alternator, utilizing power that's already available.
    Bit of a misconception there, increasing the electrical load on the alternator increases the mechanical load on the engine, so no free lunch there.

    HHO injection is interesting, but I'd like to see more actual science, objective testing, and info on the long term effects on the engines.

    And lets never forget that people enthusiastically reported some relatively rediculous fuel saving numbers from placing special magnets on their fuel lines. Some persisted even after all objective testing showed the magnets to do nothing...
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    those results don't look that good, I'm already getting that with paint thinner.
    Leak lock is not for plumbers

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